If you want to discuss the bangladesh issue, then have a go at it!
True, yahya might have done all that (i remember reading about him increasing their share army though it was too late and rebel bengali units actually ended up helping india) but then you also have to remember that he (with bhutto's prodding) didn't allow a government to form (banned AL) after delaying the formation of assemblies in the 1st place.
If Musharraf accommodates the balochis in the civil service, then i don't see why it should be a problem considering they are less skilled and LOWER IN NUMBERS than bengalis (i figured even it you used the 90,000 figure, it would still come out to 1 w. pakistani military to 770 bengalis and we know that pak military strength was more close to 45000 while the rest were civil servants and police imported from Pakistan).
You don't see in kashmir or in indian northeast and neither do you see that kind of population ratio in balochistan!
^^ And zakk, you are wrong about the civil service argument!
Look at the fallacy of your argument: To come into the eighties, you would have to go through the seventies (ZAB era) and you are telling me mouhajirs “dominated” when everything was nationalized and quota system was introduced (yes, by ZAB?).
^ aaiy haiy, dont point out minor errors in Zakks posts.he writes very very ghenerally. itni lambi kahaniyoan mai dates agai pichai ho hi jaati hain. some poeple decades bhi forward bakwward kar daitai hain. lets just appreciate the big picture being given.
Censorship of dead Balochi children will not make them go away. Each and every one of us will have to answer on judgment day on what we did when Balochis were deprived of their rights and their children were murdered. I hope all of you have a clear conscience.
I don't know of any village in north or central Punjab that looks like the pictures of the Baloch village, especially not one next to a cantonment and gas lines, but no other development at all. Really sad.
blitz: Blaming ZAB alone is a cop out..one only has to look at all the research done on ethnic breakdowns in the Top 10 Business groups in Pakistan till the 1980's (when the swing towards the Northern Provinces started occurring because of Zias unfair denationalisation process) and after..then look at Mohajir influence in the CSP..as influence declined in both groups.. and the general situation in karachi deteriotaed.. the MQM developed. About Baluchistan..I meant to prove one point..that developing one area doesn't mean the people should automatically appreciate it..giving one..their rights is not something that is gifted..it is something expected...Yahya Khan didn't understand that...and seemingly neither does Musharraf.
In any case..every group that has dominated Pakistans power structure has a responsibility to accept..I am not singling one out.. but presently it's Mohajirs-Punjabis and the splattering of Sindhis and Pashtuns.
Typical of the ancient tribal thinking! Funny these tribals have no rights as individuals. Why? Because all the rights are reserved for their tribal chief. Look at Nawab Bugti, or this educated tribal chief known as Quaid-e-Tehreek. No one dares questioning them, and yet their pipsqueak followers love to talk about rights. Funny!
National projects like power lines, gas lines, dams, schools, universities go much beyond little tribal boundaries such as Dera Bugti, or our city of lights. That’s when the little tribal chiefs like Bugti or Hussain lose out.
National projects must prevail in order to move our country forward. Instead of opposing one project or the other, we should all be vying to bring projects to our areas.
How come Bugti hasn’t gone on record, asking for funds to build motorways through his area?
How come our Sher-e-Karachi hasn’t begged world airlines to build extra terminals at Karachi airport?
May be these tribal chiefs are high on some ethnic-bhung (marijuana). How else could you explain the development of Mega cities like Dubai at stone throw from Karachi? How else could you explain the decline and fall of our jewel of the cities?
My heart aches when I see our men and women begging for jobs in Dubai while our 2-bit Nawabs and Quaids of pseudo-leaders remain oblivious to the needs of their own territories. How come they prefer hiding in London or some Dera and take pot shots at Islamabad or Lahore. It just boggles my mind.
Oh well my Pakistan has survived many anti-progress eras. Hopefully we are entering one where progress will rule.
ZAB was a Sindhi, and he was establshing the writ of Pakistan in Balochistan against the terrorism of some miscreants.
In case you did not know Nawab Bugti sahib, the great defender of the Baloch nation was actually directing that Balochistan operation in the 1970’s as Governor of that province on behalf of the centre/ZAB. I bet you did not know that?
Guess who let all those Balochi tribal miscreants go free after the overthrow of ZAB? Well it was none other than General Zia-ul Haq - a Punjabi.
Same happened in the 1990’s - Benazir a Sindhi with her Pashtun Interior Minister (Naseerullah Babur) starts an operation to hunt down MQM terrorists, and does a brilliant job. Then BB is overthrown and her ‘Punjabi’ successor Nawaz Sharif releases a whole bunch of arrested MQM rats.
Both operations were a neccessity, and so is the present one. Those damned Punjabi’s came to power and almost ruined the successes of the first two, and I hope they do not do it again this time round.
Going back to the main topic, Punjab is a better choice in the region.
Take the case of Afghanistan. Look what Uzbeks and Tajiks did to Pushtoons. Who can forget the transport of Pushtoon POWs? Remember the containers, and remember the suffocation and the bullet holes in those containers.
Then see the Iranian "love" showered on the Iranian-Balochis. Bubba! Iranians hang those Balochis in public for minor attacks on the government installations.
In Pakistan we have given too much leave way to the Bugtis and Murrees. They kill our soldiers and attack the military helicopters. These pipsqueak tribals even blow up national infrastructure. Had they been in Iran, these Kabuli Kommies would have been thrown in the Persian gulf.
Take the case of Afghanistan. Look what Uzbeks and Tajiks did to Pushtoons. Who can forget the transport of Pushtoon POWs? Remember the containers, and remember the suffocation and the bullet holes in those containers.
Then see the Iranian "love" showered on the Iranian-Balochis. Bubba! Iranians hang those Balochis in public for minor attacks on the government installations.
In Pakistan we have given too much leave way to the Bugtis and Murrees. They kill our soldiers and attack the military helicopters. These pipsqueak tribals even blow up national infrastructure. Had they been in Iran, these Kabuli Kommies would have been thrown in the Persian gulf.
What do you think the numerous army operations in 1958, seventies and the bengal episode was?
Army's love and care for all these ethnic groups?
Don't even get me started on afghanistan. Whoever is in power in afghanistan has killed / attacked / raped the other subservient groups always. Look at the pashtun subjugation of hazaras (hence you find a lot of them in quetta) in the early nineteenth to taliban killing of NA soldiers (NA killed taliban first when the commander who switched to taliban, malik, switched back to NA).
Statements like these (coming from punjabis) doesn't really prove anything!
If you want Pakistan to prosper, you have to prove it too that you care about the rest of Pakistan.
Plain bs doesn't work (as was the case with e. pakistan).
Punjab has the same rights as the rest of the provinces.. But if anything, Punja should be more open to compramise for the sake of the other provinces... In fact, even in the case of the Kalabagh dam, Punjab should be standing by Sindh against the fedral govt..
Abraham Lincoln (I wish we can all copy his good habits) killed hundreds and thousands of Southern rebels, and turned Atlanta to Savanna a wasteland. Why? Because $stupid anarchists challenged the writ of the state.
A second example comes from the “other Balochistan” west of our Borders. You should know that Iranians publicly hang Balochis for minor attacks on the government installation.
I have given you just two examples and there are many more. One example is from a democracy and the other from a Mullah-cracy. Please don’t scare us. East Pakistan was a unique case where we failed because we didn’t have means to put more force. Anyway this thread is about few tribals and not Bengalis. You can probably tell that the two are totally different breads.
My dear philosopher, what do you think Pakistani Feds should do to our rebels? Just read below.
Exactly my point. Hazaraz and Pushtoons live peacefully in Quetta because of our Army and Federal control. Otherwise the same Hazaras would have been kicked out long time ago by the same Pushtoons. Even now the danger of ethnic cleansing is ever present. Haven’t you heard the occasional attacks on Quetta Hazaras? So be thankful to our Federal institutions who keep Balochistan from turning into another Afghanistan.
The danger is there so we ought to be ever-vigilant against these Kabuli-Kommies hell bent on turning Balochistan into their favorite Afghani Jannat (heaven).
For Pakistan to prosper, we must gently tug these tribals towards development. If they resist, then all force must be used to enforce the writ of the Federal government. Nations (like examples of the US) do not form by sending Mithai and Phools (sweats and flowers) to the trouble makers. Situation from the past several months clearly show that the policies of carrot have failed (sadly). These miscreants now only understand the language of stick on their @r$es.
came to power and almost ruined the successes of the first two, and I hope they do not do it again this time round. 
