'Punishment of stripes for drinking not Islamic'

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I thought this was interesting and worth posting..

http://www.dawn.com/2003/text/nat30.htm
By Our Reporter

ISLAMABAD, March 20: A 15-member committee, constituted by the National Commission on the Status of Women (NCSW), has overwhelmingly agreed that the prescribed punishment of 80 stripes for drinking is not part of Quran and Sunnah.

According to sources, a majority of the members were also of the view that Prohibition (Enforcement of Hadd) Order, 1979, was the brain child of late Gen Ziaul Haq, and that it lacked justification.

In a recently held meeting on the Enforcement of Hadd, Justice M. Shaiq Usmani raised a question whether any punishment had been prescribed for drinking in Quran and Sunnah? Most of the members were of the opinion that no punishment had been prescribed in this regard. However, Syed Afzal Haider, a member, argued that the punishment, involving stripes, had been derived from Ijma.

Justice Usmani said, in an earlier discussion, Dr Faqir Hussain, secretary, Law and Justice Commission of Pakistan, had said during the time of Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him), no particular punishment was prescribed for drinking, and, in fact, if a person was found drinking, he/she was slapped or confined to home.

Speaking on the occasion, Dr Faqir Hussain, who is also member of the committee, said the punishment for drinking was first prescribed during the time of Hazrat Umar.

Dr S.M. Zaman, another member, said it could be quoted from history that it was the Sahaba Karam who opted for Hadd punishment for drinking and, consequently, it was considered a part of Sunnah. However, NCSW chairperson Justice Majida Rizvi and other members disagreed with Dr Zaman, and said traditions of Sahaba Karam could not be regarded as Sunnah.

Justice Usmani said appropriate punishment for drinking should be prescribed under Tazir because there was no justification to have Hadd punishment for the offence.

Dr Farida Ahmad, a member of the committee, was of the opinion that the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) did not prescribe Hadd punishment for drinking, but she could not quote any Hadith in this regard.

Justice Usmani said if a person was found drinking, he/she could be given any severe punishment other than Hadd, since it was not mentioned in Quran and Sunnah.

Justice Majida, agreeing with Justice Usmani, said the offence could be placed under Tazir. Dr Zaman said the punishment of Hadd for drinking was part of Sunnah, but he could not quote any Hadith to support his viewpoint. However, he agreed that more research should be carried out on the issue. Ms Farida maintained that the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) had administered punishment of hitting a drunk person with a branch of date palm.

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Al JaamiAl Saheeh. Version 1.07 - By Imam Al Bukhari
Volume 8
8.771:
NarratedUmar bin Al-Khattab (RA):
During the lifetime of the Prophet (SAW) there was a man called `Abdullah whose nickname was Donkey, and he used to make Allah's (SWT) Apostle laugh. The Prophet lashed him because of drinking (alcohol). And one-day he was brought to the Prophet (SAW) on the same charge and was lashed. On that, a man among the people said, "O Allah, curse him ! How frequently he has been brought (to the Prophet on such a charge)!" The Prophet (SAW) said, "Do not curse him, for by Allah, I know for he loves Allah and His Apostle."

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The Prophet lashed him because of drinking (alcohol)
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that is an accusation.

since the Prophet was commanded to judge using the Qur'an and the Qur'an is silent on any 'hadd' for drinking, the Prophet could not go against the Qur'an, hence the hadith can be rejected.

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are they horizontal or vertical stripes? Because the former can make you look fat while the latter has a slimming effect.

In all seriousness, Islam needs to move out of the dark ages.

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assalamoalikum :jhanda:

knonky knonky this still doesn’t answer the question what is the punishment for drinking pashaab sorry sharab in islam.

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Why should this even be an issue?

Stu, horizontal stripes are so 80's

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first of all the link is not working

secondly, how can the National Commission on Status of Women discuss the issue of sentence for drinking sharab. It doesn't make sense.

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Chalo... I am saved...:)

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *

that is an accusation.

since the Prophet was commanded to judge using the Qur'an and the Qur'an is silent on any 'hadd' for drinking, the Prophet could not go against the Qur'an, hence the hadith can be rejected.
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Only two things can make you say that...Either you are so ignorant that you can't see the source I have mentioned or you are a Shia...In any case there's little difference...:)

For others...Every Prophet that ever came was guided by the will of Allah (SWT)...Everything they endured was predestined for them to bear...If we come across a punishment which we believe to be horrendous or heinous or whatever, we can't change it. They were not prescribed by the Prophets themselves but rather were inspired to do so...And anyway, if we change something from a religion that doesn't suit our fancy, it's not much of a religion is it...It becomes simply a constitution...So if you have any qualms about any of the prescribed punishments that you deem brutal, kindly take it up Allah (SWT)...:)