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Hazrat MUHAMMAD SAW was alive that at that what law HAzrat Umar Farooq used
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after Makkah was conquered 17 people were finally chose to be killed out of which only 4 were killed 2 of them were blashmers and one was a murdereer
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Rizla Blashmey law has been agreed by almost all scolars since 1400 years
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nobody cna play with the honor of PROPHET whose honor is more important than whole humanity life
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no one played with the honor of Hazrat Muhammad (saw)...if you wanna hang someone, check out Geert Wilders...Have Fun :D
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Zarvan, you didn't give me the names of those who were killed on the charge of blasphemy at the time of conquest of makkah.
Also you didn't highlighted the quranic verses where according to you, 'God has shown His anger on prophet(phbu)'. I believe there are no such verses.
Earlier, you quoted Ka'ab bin al-ashraf and I proved that he was acting as a traitor, inciting makkans to avenge badr. He was undermining the state of medina while being a signatory of charter of medina. During the time of the prophet, can you quote an example of a person who was not working against the state, against the community of muslims and was killed mere on account of being foulmouthed against the prophet(pbuh), Islam, muslims.
I can quote many examples where people were extremely obnoxious but were not given capital punishment.
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Ridda wars: You guys need to study history surrounding these wars. You seem to project as if these wars were unleashed on false prophets and apostates (those who left Islam). These wars were wars of state of Medina against rebels who have gathered political strength, occupied large areas , killed muslims and bent on destroying muslims
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Ridda wars: You guys need to study history surrounding these wars. You seem to project as if these wars were unleashed on false prophets and apostates (those who left Islam). These wars were wars of state of Medina against rebels who have gathered political strength, occupied large areas , killed muslims and bent on destroying muslims
We know our history and we do not ignore the fact these rebbels were appostates, but we also know that they were the first wars of agression too no longer were the Muslims on the defence or willing to give the opposition a chance... they were the first all out wars, no mercy, no prisoners it was the order of battle from Yammama to Yemen.
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If you want to keep your eyes shut in the face of the facts then it is your choice. I implore you to study the history. It was a coincidence that these rebels were apostates. Even if they were not apostates, the wars would still have been fought owing to crimes they committed and the threat they posed after the death of the holy prophet(pbuh)
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You assume i'm ignorant of History and assumptions are what cause trouble.
Evidently we dont share the same opinions on the matter but you cannot ignore that there was no rebbelion during the life of the Prophet even though Abdullah bin Ubayh had more men and resources even he did not dare cause trouble... and likewise he was respected. But the later Apsotates lost thier sense of respect...
I think blasphemy stems from a lack of respect and while respect and fear are different things somtimes it is neccasary to make enemies fear you if they do not respect you.
I dont think the wars would have been fought if they had not appostasised, thats as if your saying the Muslims suddenly became frenzied against all rebells.... they did but were driven so by the disrespect of those same rebbels.
Besides I'm shutting my eyes just like yourself :)
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faris sahib, Now you are equating apostasy with blasphemy. Earlier, you equated apostasy with treason and adultery.
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Evidently we dont share the same opinions on the matter but you cannot ignore that there was no rebbelion during the life of the Prophet even though Abdullah bin Ubayh had more men and resources even he did not dare cause trouble... and likewise he was respected. But the later Apsotates lost thier sense of respect...
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So you are saying that if the apostates had remained gentle and had not caused trouble then they would not have been pursued and could have lived in peace even though they had changed their religion. if yes then you are saying what I am saying.
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I dont think the wars would have been fought if they had not appostasised, thats as if your saying the Muslims suddenly became frenzied against all rebells.... they did but were driven so by the disrespect of those same rebbels.
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So it had been ok if they had remained muslims and rebelled then as per your logic, Medina would not have moved against them.
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As far as i know Prophet Mohammad forgave the woman who used to throw trash on him everytime he went for his prayer, then how can you kill in such an esteem, forgiving persons name? I.e. the one who didn't say anything to people for what he did to him how would he want his people to kill on his name? Isn't Allah the judge for such people? Isn't he the only authority to punish people? I don't get it the people who claim to know so much about Islam can't even understand such examples? Quran isn't there just to read and learn by heart wasn't it sent down for people to use the examples given in it for them to live their lives accordingly?...i am confused.
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Not justifying ST murder, just answering to thread title.
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: on the day of the conquest of Mecca: There are four persons whom I shall not give protection in the sacred and non-sacred territory. He then named them. There were two singing girls of al-Maqis; one of them was killed and the other escaped and embraced Islam. Sunnan Abu Dawud 14:2678
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace be upon him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.[Sunnan Abu Dawud 38:4348, Sunnan Abu Dawud 38:4361]
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For the poster who wanted to know what Tafsir Ibne Katheer says about hypocrites and blasphemers.
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Zarvan, thanks for pointing to the Ansar Abassi article. I would try to analyse and get information about the points he raised and events he quoted.
BTW, what I have experienced and observed is that the events that enemies of Islam so vehemently drum and project to prove that Islam is not the religion of peace and call our prophet (pbuh) as prophet of doom (nauzbillah). Same events are proudly presented by our muslim brothers in faith to prove their point. inadvertently, they endorse what enemies of Islam try to project. Anyways, I will try to collect my thoughts and some info to analyse the article.
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We know our history and we do not ignore the fact these rebbels were appostates, but we also know that they were the first wars of agression too no longer were the Muslims on the defence or willing to give the opposition a chance... they were the first all out wars, no mercy, no prisoners it was the order of battle from Yammama to Yemen.
salam bro,
but its the ijma of all sahaba that those wars were neccesary.Yes there were objectionable actions or atrocities like the one of ibn Nuwaira but that was widely condemned by many senior sahaba including Sayyidna Umar
and there were prisoners taken Tulayha , Ashath b Qays, Qays b Makhsush are sahaba who apostasized but later became muslims again
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Some facts about the story of killing of Asma bint marwan
There are two places where this story about the killing of Asma bint Marwan has been reported and those are:
1) Kitab at-Tabaqat al-Kabir
and
2) Kinz ul Ummal
In Kinz ul Ummal this story is related under number 44131 and has been attributed to three people namely Ibn Asaker, Ibn Sad and Ibn Adiyy.
Ibn Adiyy is also the author of the book Al-Kamel and in that book he has mentioned this incident and on the authority of Jafar Ibn Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn As-Sabah on authority of Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim Ash-Shami on authority of Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj Al-Lakhmi on authority of Mujalid on authority of Ash-Shu'abi on authority of Ibn 'Abbas, he has added the following:
this isnad (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of Mujalid but by Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj of forging it. (Al-Kamel Vol 6, pg. 145)
*Ibn al-Gawzi in his book Al-Ilal *(Vol. 1, pg. 279) mentioned that this report was false. This report is also listed among other flawed reports.
Hence in conclusion this report is nothing but a fabricated lie – a forgery and should be discarded.
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Zarvan, thanks for pointing to the Ansar Abassi article. I would try to analyse and get information about the points he raised and events he quoted. BTW, what I have experienced and observed is that the events that enemies of Islam so vehemently drum and project to prove that Islam is not the religion of peace and call our prophet (pbuh) as prophet of doom (nauzbillah). Same events are proudly presented by our muslim brothers in faith to prove their point. inadvertently, they endorse what enemies of Islam try to project. Anyways, I will try to collect my thoughts and some info to analyse the article.
As it was said in a TV talk show beautifully, we have to remove the 'ainak' glasses of West to see our religion and do what Allah asks us to do and believe in it. The same human rights champions don't sweat a thing on dozens of innocents killed in Palestine or in drone attacks in Afg/Pak every other day. Yet they will come with full force to condemn 'radical' Muslims who believe in blasphemy law. If one believes in Prophet SAW and know that as per Quran, he doesn't say or do anything unless its from Allah, then we need to see why certain people were not granted pardon when even 'Hind' the woman who chew liver of Ameer Hamza R.A was forgiven. They were either murtid (who murdered in Medina and fled back to Mecca seeking refuge from Sharia law and reverted, and those who insulted Prophet SAW. Again, if Allah (ar-Rehman ar-Raheem)'s blessings were not with Prophet Muhammed (Rehmat ul lil alameen) SAW, we would have seen a revelation right away, as its evident from the time of Badr's POW treatment.
Now if we have believe in Allah and His Prophet SAW, we need to see WHY Allah would have such a punishment for these special group of people. For this we need to see the history of prophets and the treatment of their followers. The fact that Islam is still alive after 1400 years with its original text and message gives us reason why these steps were taken to safeguard the last message till the day of Qiyamat. Allah does not allow to kill innocent people no matter what the circumstances are, but to those who become direct threat to his Deen and his Messenger wherever Sharia Laws are the Law of the Land/State. Those who reverted from Islam for their duniya or committed blasphemy in the presence of a Prophet in Islamic jurisdiction were prosecuted, else they fled to outside the Sharia law or did tauba and seeked for forgiveness.
Today's human right champions (western world) are forgetting that they have the most violent past (and even present), Muslims didn't do genocide of 12 Million natives to conquer mass land in North America. Nor we were involved in the massacres of medieval times. Yes some Muslim rulers did brutality but that has nothing to do with their faith.
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Abdullah ibn Khatal
Another instance that is cited in support of the thesis that apostacy is punishable with death is the case of Ibn Khatal who was one of the four people who were executed on the occasion of the fall of Mecca. It is true that he was an apostate, but it is not a fact that he was executed on account of his apostacy. His case is set out in Mawahibal Ludunniyyah where it is stated: The Holy Prophet directed the execution of Ibn Khatal. He had been a Muslim and the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, had sent him to collect the zakat. He was accompanied by an Ansari and a freed man of his who served him and who was a Muslim. They arrived at a place where they were to spend the night and he directed the freed man to slaughter a goat and to prepare dinner. Having given this direction, he went to sleep and when he woke up, he found that the freed man had done nothing for the preparation of dinner. He was intensely annoyed and killed him. He then reverted to paganism, and went to Mecca and settled down there.
It is quite clear that Ibn Khatal was not executed as a punishment for his apostacy or blasphemy, but on account of his murder of the Muslim freed man.