Punishment of Blasphemy in Islam

[EyEsOnSkY]

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I told you guys:D:

that verse quoted by LK is so different with the topic we discussing.. I didnt have much time now but I whould like to take a look/read the previous or after verses of that quoted verse!! or if someone have tafseer of this ayat pleasse share here.

[kchughtai]

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Here are some verses from Quran that discuss those who mock and ridicule the prophet(pbuh), signs of Allah(swt) etc.

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And He has already revealed to you in the Book that, when you hear the Signs of Allah being denied and mocked at, sit not with them until they engage in a talk other than that; for in that case you would be like them. Surely, Allah will assemble the hypocrites and the disbelievers in Hell, all together

Here is the suggested path given to the believers that if you see signs of Allah mocked at then disengage with such people. don’t talk to them unless they change their behavior

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The hypocrites fear lest a Surah should be revealed against them, informing them of what is in their hearts. Say, ‘Mock ye! surely, Allah will bring to light what you fear.’

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And if thou question them, they will most surely say, ‘We were only talking idly and jesting.’ Say, ‘Was it Allah and His Signs and His Messenger that you mocked at?

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Make ye no excuses: ye have rejected Faith after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin.

The above set of verses is wonderful rebuttal of the idea that those who disbelieve after believing and those who mock the prophets and sign of Allah must be killed. It is quite clear from the verses that it is upto Allah to punish or forgive them. These verses are about hypocrites whose behavior amounts to jesting the holy prophet(pbuh). Also they are termed as those who ‘disbelieved after believing’

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And when they see thee, they only make a jest of thee: ‘Is this he whom Allah has sent as a Messenger?

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“He indeed would well-nigh have misled us from our gods, had it not been that we were constant to them!” - Soon will they know, when they see the Penalty, who it is that is most misled in Path!

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Verily, those who malign Allah and His Messenger — Allah has cursed them in this world and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them an abasing punishment.

In every instance, Allah Himself took the responsibility of dealing with such people and didn’t order to kill

[Zarvan_Ali]

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sir madina most who commited blashmey were murdered most famous one was KAAB a jew leader he was killed and there are lot more examples

[kchughtai]

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there must be other reasons for their killing. since Quran allows death penalty for only two reasons:

1. Murder.
2. ‘Fassad fil Arz’
   I don’t know about this incident. pls relate any resource about this incident. I have seen many maulanas misrepresent/misinterpret events and even quote verses that have nothing to do with the subject.

btw, who was bigger blasphemer than Abdullah bin Ubbay (the leader of munafiqeen). Who is alleged to have even said “When we return to Medina, the Mightier shall surely expel the Meaner!” attributing later to the holy prophet(pbuh). His own son sought permission to kill him but permission was not granted. This was the guy who was quite vocal when hazrat Aisha(ra) was accused of adultery. when he died, the holy prophet(pbuh) offered his namaz-e-janaza.
There are numerous other examples. If killing of such person was ordained by Allah, how could the holy prophet(pbuh) have gone against this verdict by forgiving or taking no action against such person.

[Zarvan_Ali]

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@kchughtai

there must be other reasons for their killing. since Quran allows only two reasons for death penalty

1. Murder.
2. ‘Fassad fil Arz’
   I don’t know about this incident. pls relate any resource about this incident. I have many seen maulanas misrepresent events and even quote verses that have nothing to do with the subject.

btw, who was bigger blasphemer than Abdullah bin Ubbay (the leader of munafiqeen). Who is alleged to have even said “When we return to Medina, the Mightier shall surely expel the Meaner!” attributing later to the holy prophet(pbuh). His own son sought permission to kill him but permission was not granted. This was the guy who was quite vocal when hazrat Aisha(ra) was accused of adultery. when he died, he offered his namaz-e-janaza despite showing resentment shown by some sahabas.
There are numerous other examples. If killing of such a person was ordained by Allah, how could have the holy prophet(pbuh) gone against this verdict by forgiving or taking no action against it even once.

Kahita i can give you many examples in which blashmers were killed first one was Kaab bin Ashraf a jew than there was person who was taken as prisoner in Battle of Badar butt on way to madina was killed because he was the one who use put the stomach of camel on PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW back when he use to pray in Makkah in kba than there were 4 people killed during Fatah e Makkah 2 of them were killed for blashmey and even in the time of 4 caliphs people were killed for blashmey blashmey is the biggest FASAD FIL ARZ

[Zarvan_Ali]

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and sir every order which ALLAH used to give to his PROPHET SAW is not in the Quran

[lethal_kamikaze]

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[kchughtai]

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quoted from wikipedia:

After the Battle of Badr, one of the Banu Nadir’s chiefs Ka’b ibn al-Ashraf, went to the Quraish in order to lament the loss at Badr and to incite them to take up arms to regain lost honor, noting the statement of Muhammad: “He (Ka’b) has openly assumed enmity to us and speaks evil of us and he has gone over to the polytheists (who were at war with Muslims) and has made them gather against us for fighting”.[13] This was in contravention of the Constitution of Medina, of which the tribe led by Ka’b ibn al-Asharf was a signatory, which prohibited them from “extending any support” to the tribes of Mecca, namely Banu Quraish. Some sources suggest that during his visit to Mecca, Ka’b concluded a treaty with Abu Sufyan, stipulating cooperation between the Quraysh and Jews against Muhammad.[14]

13. al-Zurqaani, Sharh al-Muwaahib, Vol II p. 10-12
14. a b Rubin, Uri. The Assassination of Kaʿb b. al-Ashraf. Oriens, Vol. 32. (1990), pp. 65-71.

It is right that kaab wrote offensive poetry but he was also
a. conspiring against muslims and planning with Qursiah-e-makkah after battle of badr
b. This was in clear breach of the charter of medina of which kaab was a signatory

[kchughtai]

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who were the people who were killed at the time of conquest of makkah on the charge of blasphemy?

[brahmachari99]

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So what you’re accusing Prophet (SAW) of is being vindictive? By God, there’s not ONE single incident when my beloved Prophet has been vindictive. He was the picture of mercy and compassion and magnanimity, and yet you’re accusing him of killing someone for throwing a camel’s stomach on him?

[Zarvan_Ali]

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one was a slave girl and his master there was another slave girl of his but she escaped also in the time of Hazrat UMAR FAROOQ RA a man used to lead jamat somewhere and use to recite some ayats constantly when people complained about him Hazrat UMAR RA asked y you only recite some ayat again and agian he replied that becuase in these ayata ALLAH showed some anger on HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW thats y i like those ayats so what happend was HAZRAT UMAR FAROOQ at that very moment choped his head off

[kchughtai]

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you didn’t give any names of the people or references of the incidents.
Also, which ayats are you referring to? It is a news for me that Allah(swt) has shown anger on the holy prophet(pbuh) in some quranic verses? and how can hazrat umar(ra) punish(even behead) a imam for reciting certain quranic verses again and again. This is height of ignorance on behalf of those who project such stories.

[kchughtai]

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I would also like to comment on the notion of ‘apostasy is treason’.

Apostasy: “It is the formal disaffiliation from, or abandonment or renunciation of a religion by a person.”

Now consider a different scenario at a state level. A Pakistani goes to Europe on Pakistani passport. There, after going through all the formalities, he revokes Pakistani citizenship and becomes a German citizen , for instance. Now, as per your own definition of treason, this is an act of treason. and most of you guys fall in this category.Now Pakistani government should seek those who fall in this category of treason and give them capital punishment as they have changed citizenship. In that case, people who don’t want to remain Pakistani citizen will become scared and just to save their lives, they would be content being ‘Munafiq’ citizens as it is good to be ‘munafiq’ than being dead

[Faris_Udeen]

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^ that is a good example of statecraft but is not directly applicable to belief.

I think people are wise enough to make thier own minds up on the matter… Allah knows best.

But Quran and Sunnah are very clear, besides as you all know the Prophet and the rightly guided Caliphs after him waged open war agianst blasphemers who went too far… the Riddah wars are a prime example but such events are well known and need not be dug up again and again we are all entitled to our views but death penalty is not a blanket law… there is a difference between open and confined blasphemy.

Anyone can say anything behind the backs but when someone says or does something in front of the face and does so in a way which is tantamount to waving a declaration of war then what else do you do but eliminate the hazard…

Furthermore this applies to many other sins if your an adulterer for example and you keep yourself out of the picture… you have a chance to be forgiven but if you make a fashion out of it and persuade others to join since you can seemingly get away with it publicly then capital punishment is delivered to serve as an example to the rest

Besides youve said that fassad fil arz is punishable by death and for example was not Sulman Rushdies Blasphemy such a fassad…?

[kchughtai]

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^^Before I say anything further, kindly don’t use phrases like
“If you burn the Koran or slander the Prophet on a large scale and do so within reach of me… then Pray that Allah and his beloved show mercy to you and stop me…”

"if your** an adulterer** for example ".
Kindly don’t show off your anger in this way. I love my religion Islam, the holy prophet(pbuh), Quran at least as much as you do. the whole purpose of this discussion is to see this issue in the light of Quran and Sunnah of the prophet and not by your or my emotions or our thoughts. I will answer your post a bit later.

[EyEsOnSkY]

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there is no any such incident occur in Hazoor SAW era or any single sign/hint in Quran which goes in the favor of that law. and my advised for those who just trying to matched other incidents to somehow to give a proof please dont try to modfy Islam or teachings. think and reasearch please

[Zarvan_Ali]

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KAch I will soon give you reference there were many people who were killed for blashmey in the time of Hazarat MUHAMMAD SAW the incidents which people quote in which PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW forgave the blashpers only happend in MAKKAH after order of fight most Blashmers were killed including most famous Kaab

[Captain1]

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@Zarvan_Ali

one was a slave girl and his master there was another slave girl of his but she escaped also in the time of Hazrat UMAR FAROOQ RA a man used to lead jamat somewhere and use to recite some ayats constantly when people complained about him Hazrat UMAR RA asked y you only recite some ayat again and agian he replied that becuase in these ayata ALLAH showed some anger on HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW thats y i like those ayats so what happend was HAZRAT UMAR FAROOQ at that very moment choped his head off

That still doesn’t prove that he was insulting Prophet PBUH, and it doesn’t give reference to what law was used by Hazrat Umar RA.

[zobia]

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@rizla86

I think blasphemy is exploited more than our mullahs than anything else. In the Prophet’s time, people like Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl used to openly ridicule him and make his life a living hell. The people of Taif stoned him until his shoes were filled with blood. Even then, the Holy Prophet (pbuh) would only pray for their forgiveness and for Allah to show them hidayah. I think we should follow that example. In Pakistan we have ridiculous blasphemy laws that can be invoked against the minorities any time, like the recent case of Aasia Bibi (Page not found | The Express Tribune) which goes against the spirit of Islam.

Yes Prophet Muhammad PBUH used to pray for forgiveness of Kufaars, and Munafeqeens, but I believe it got changed after Ghazwa Tabook and He(PBUH) was not allowed to do it afterward.
Kindly recite Surah Tauba and its Tafseer for indepth realization.

[EyEsOnSkY]

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what u mean WHAT Hazrat Mohammad SAW dosent allowed after it? clear your points

and what Hazrat Mohammad SAW did with peoples of Mecca after gain all kind of powers?

and whould u plz paste here the Tafseer of Surah Tauba if u read it!!