Punishment in the grave- Merged threads

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There are as many opinions on the subject of what will happen after we die as there are "scholars".

It is very important to qualify the scholar by reviewing all his beliefs before blindly accepting his position on any one concept.

Because both of my parents have passed on, I have enquired about numerous ideas that have been presented regarding the dead including but not limited to:

  • whether or not they can hear/see/recognize those that visit their graves,
  • whether or not the soul remains attached to the physical remains,
  • whether or not anyone can possibly know exactly what punishements will be given out before the day of hashr, etc., etc.

Unfortunately, the answers that I have been given repeatedly do not confirm that which is written in this thread.

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  1. The actual meaning of the word Qabr (grave) is that it refers to a hole in the ground wherein a dead person is buried. In a figurative sense it refers to the realm of the dead (Aalam-e-Barzakh), where the souls of the dead reside. This is so regardless of whether the limbs of a person is in one place or scattered in various places, like if a person is devoured by wild animals or sunk in the ocean and the body disintegrated or cremated as some nations do and the ashes are strewn all over.

  2. The meaning of the word death implies that the soul of a person is separated from his body and will remain so until the Day of Qiyaamah. The soul is not extinguished, rather it is kept in an appropriate and befitting condition. When the dead body is placed in the grave, then a connection is established between the soul and the body. The soul does not have a complete bond with the body as it had on earth, however such a connection is established whereby knowledge and discernment etc. are acquired. In the Hadith wherein is mentioned that the soul returns to the body, this type of connection is meant. Hadhrat Imaam Ahmed Ibn Hambal (rahmatullahi alaihi) reports from Hadhrat Baraa bin Aazib (radhiAllaahu anhu) that they once accompanied Nabi s.aw for the burial of an Ansaari. When they reached the graveyard, the grave was not yet dug. Nabi was there and we sat with him. In a lengthy Hadith Nabi s.a.w spoke regarding the death of believer and a kaafir. Regarding a believer, Nabi s.a.w said, *“…until it (his soul) reaches the seven heavens, Allaah Taala says, ‘Note down the name of my servant in the `Illiyeen, and return him to the earth because I have created him there from and I will return him therein, and I will (once again) resurrect him there from a second time. Thus his soul will return into his body and two angels will come to him and sit beside him. They will ask of him, ‘Who is your Rabb?...’”*

The above mentioned relationship between the body and soul will be established so that the questioning in the grave can be accomplished and the person will spend the rest of the time in peace and tranquillity or in punishment. For this relationship to be established between the soul and body, even a single cell of the body is sufficient. If these conditions (i.e. the questioning and subsequent stages) take place on even a single cell, the soul will feel the full force and effect thereof.

Hadhrat Shah Abdul Azeez (rahmatullahi alaihi) says, “`Illiyeen is a place above the seven heavens and its bottom portion extends to the Sidratul-Muntaha. Its uppermost portion is attached to the right foot of the Arsh. The souls of the righteous are taken to this place after death. This is the resting place of the souls of the very close servants of Allaah, i.e. the Ambiyaa (alaihimus salaam). The books of deeds of the general pious servants of Allaah reach this place, whereafter they (i.e. their souls) are returned to earth…Their souls also have such a relationship with the grave that if anyone of their associates (of the living) come to visit them they are aware thereof and discern their presence.” [Tafseer Azizi, Parah 30]

The bond between the soul and the physical body differs in the deceased. The bond that exists in the martyrs is stronger than those of the general masses. This is the reason why their bodies remain fresh for longer periods. The bond which exists for the Ambiyaa (alaihimus salaam) is even stronger and this is the reason why their blessed bodies are protected for much longer and some actions of theirs, for example, Salaat, continues even in this state.

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“It has been reported from Hadhrat Anas (radhiAllaahu anhu) that Nabi s.a.w said, ‘When the servant of Allaah is placed in the grave and his companions turn away (i.e. go back after burying him), then he hears their footsteps. Two angels then come to him, and they sit by his side and ask him what he says about this person Muhammad. If he (the deceased) was a believer he will reply, ‘I bear witness that he is the servant of Allaah and His messenger.’ It will then be said to him, ‘Look at your place in The Fire, which indeed Allaah has replaced for you with a place in Jannat. This person will see both the places. However, if he (the deceased) was a kaafir or a Munaafiq and it will be asked of him what he says about this person, Muhammad, he will reply, ‘I do not know! I used to say what the people would say.’ It will then be said to him, ‘You do not know and you did not read (about him)!’ They will then strike him with an iron rod, a severe strike. He will let out such a loud scream that everything close to him will hear the sound except man and jinn.’” [Bukhari and Muslim]

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]We are living in a physical and discernable universe. Notwithstanding this we are able to experience the realm of dreams which is not a physical one. A person in a dream can see and experience all sorts of different feelings and experiences, and yet a person sitting right next to him cannot feel or see anything. So, besides this physical realm of ours which we know as the universe, there is another realm which is known as the *Aalam-e-Barzakh. Just like how a person in this physical real world is transported into the realm of dreams which is in another sphere and realm altogether, similarly the dead although their physical bodies are still in this physical world their souls are transported into the realm of the dead (Aalam-e-Barzakh). Just as how the sleeping person’s body is next to us and we cannot feel or know what he is experiencing (in the dreams-world), so too are those alive who have the dead bodies close by them cannot feel and discern the experiences felt by the dead. Yes, if Allaah Ta`ala wills that someone hear and see the punishments in the grave then it will be possible. Like how animals can hear the screams of the dead. If a person is consumed by an animal and the punishment is meted out on the cells which are in the animal system, then the animal is not affected thereby.

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I feel like in my studies I take one step towards Islam on certain days, but then on days like today when I read things like this I take two steps back. This idea of what happens after death is a little too much like a bad science fiction/fantasy book for me to stomach. And I have a hard time thinking that God would be so terrible to so many people who were not Muslim when there is a good possibility that they lived good, positive lives here on earth and contributed to a better global community.

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If they did good in this life they they will get the reward for that in this World before they die.

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Same here, it makes me feel like God cant possibly be that cruel :bummer:

Types of torment in the grave

The torment in the grave will vary according to the sins committed by the person in this world, whether he was a kaafir or a disobedient Muslim. There are saheeh ahaadeeth which describe this torment for the people who commit these sins. For example:

1 – Being struck with an iron hammer:

It was narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a person is placed in his grave and his companions leave him, and he can no longer hear the sound of their sandals (footsteps), two angels come to him and make him sit up, and they ask him, ‘What did you say about this man Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)?’ He says, ‘I bear witness that he is the slave of Allaah and His Messenger.’ It is said, ‘Look at your place in Hell which Allaah has replaced for you with a place in Paradise.’” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “And he sees them both. But as for the kaafir or hypocrite, he says, ‘I do not know, I used to say what the people said.’ It is said, ‘You did not know and you did not follow those who knew.’ Then he is struck a blow with an iron hammer between his ears and he screams a scream which everything around him can hear apart from the two races (of mankind and the jinn).”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1222)

2 –7: Furnishings from Hell are prepared out for him; he is clothed with fire; a door to Hell is opened for him; his grave is made narrow for him; he is struck with a great hammer which, if a mountain were to be struck with it, it would turn to dust; and he is given the tidings of torment in the Hereafter. Hence he will wish that the hour will never come.

Ahmad (17803) and Abu Dawood (4753) narrated that al-Baraa’ ibn ‘Aazib said: We went out with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for the funeral of a man from among the Ansaar. We came to the grave and when (the deceased) was placed in the lahd, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sat down and we sat around him, as if there were birds on our heads (i.e., quiet and still). In his hand he had a stick with which he was scratching the ground. Then he raised his head and said, “Seek refuge with Allaah from the torment of the grave”, two or three times …” – Then he mentioned the soul of the believer and how he is blessed in his grave. Then he said: “But when the disbelieving slave is about to depart this world and enter the Hereafter, there come down to him from heaven angels with black faces, bringing sackcloth, and they sit around him as far as the eye can see. Then the Angel of Death comes and sits by his head, and he says, ‘O evil soul, come forth to the wrath of Allaah and His anger.’ Then his soul disperses inside his body, then comes out cutting the veins and nerves, like a skewer passing through wet wool. When he seizes it, they do not leave it in his hand for an instant before they take it and put it in that sackcloth, and there comes from it a stench like the foulest stench of a dead body on the face of the earth. Then they ascend and they do not pass by any group of angels but they say, ‘Who is this evil soul?’ and they say, ‘It is So and so the son of So and so, calling him by the worst names by which he was known in this world, until they reach the lowest heaven. They ask for it to be opened to them and it is not opened.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited (interpretation of the meaning):

“for them the gates of heaven will not be opened, and they will not enter Paradise until the camel goes through the eye of the needle”

[al-A’raaf 7:40]

He said: “Then Allaah says, ‘Record the book of My slave in Sijjeen in the lowest earth, and return him to the earth, for from it I created them, to it I will return them and from it I will bring them forth once again.’ So his soul is cast down.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“and whoever assigns partners to Allaah, it is as if he had fallen from the sky, and the birds had snatched him, or the wind had thrown him to a far off place”

[al-Hajj 22:31]

He said: “Then his soul is returned to his body, and there come to him two angels who make him sit up and they say to him, ‘Who is your Lord?’ He says, ‘Oh, oh, I don’t know.’ They say, ‘What is your religion?’ He says, ‘Oh, oh, I don’t know.’ Then a voice calls out from heaven, ‘Prepare for him a bed from Hell and clothe him from Hell, and open for him a gate to Hell.’ Then there comes to him some of its heat and hot winds, and his grave is constricted and compresses him until his ribs interlock. Then there comes to him a man with an ugly face and ugly clothes, and a foul stench, who says, ‘Receive the bad news, this is the day that you were promised.’ He says, ‘Who are you? Your face is a face which forebodes evil.’ He says, ‘I am your evil deeds.’ He says, ‘O Lord, do not let the Hour come, do not let the Hour come.’”

This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Ahkaam al-Janaa’iz, p. 156

8 – Being swallowed up by the earth.

It was narrated from Ibn ‘Umar that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whilst a man was dragging his lower garment out of pride, the earth swallowed him up and he will continue sinking into the earth until the Day of Resurrection.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5345; Muslim, 3894).

9- The edge of the mouth being torn to the back of the head

10- The head being smashed with a rock

11- Being burned in an tannoor oven

12- Swimming in a river of blood whilst being pelted with stones.

Al-Bukhaari (1386, 7047) narrated that Samurah ibn Jundub said:

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) often used to ask his companions, “Has any one of you had a dream?” Then those whom Allaah willed would tell him (about their dreams). One morning he said,

“Last night, two people came to me (in a dream), and woke me up and said, ‘Let’s go!’ I set out with them, and we came across a man who was lying down, with another man standing over him, holding a big rock. He threw the rock at the man’s head, smashing it. The rock rolled away, and the one who had thrown it followed it, and picked it up. By the time he came back to the man, his head had been restored to its former state. Then he (the one who had thrown the rock) did the same as he had done before. I said to my two companions, ‘Subhaan Allaah! Who are these two persons?’ They said, ‘Move on!’ So we went on, and came to a man who was lying flat on his back, with another man standing over him, holding an iron hook. He put the hook in the man’s mouth and tore off that side of his face to the back (of his neck), and he tore his nose and his eye from front to back in a similar manner. Then he turned to the other side of the man’s face and did likewise. No sooner had he finished the second side but the first side was restored to its former state, then he went back and did the same thing again. I said to my two companions, ‘Subhaan Allaah! Who are these two persons?’ They said, ‘Move on!’ So we went on, and came to something like a tannoor (a kind of oven, lined with clay, usually used for baking bread). – I think the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, in that oven there was much noise and voices. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) added: - We looked into it and saw naked men and women. A flame of fire was reaching them from underneath, and when it reached them, they cried out loudly. I asked them, ‘Who are these?’ They said to me, ‘Move on!’ So we went on and came to a river – I think he said, red like blood. – In the river there was a man swimming, and on the bank there was a man who had gathered many stones. Whilst the swimmer was swimming, the man who had gathered the stones approached him. The swimmer opened his mouth and the man on the bank threw a stone into it, then the swimmer carried on swimming. Each time he came back, he opened his mouth again, and the man on the bank threw another stone into his mouth. I said to my two companions, ‘Who are these two persons?’ They said, ‘Move on, move on!’ …

I said to them, I have seen many wonders this night. What do all these things mean that I have seen?’ They said: ‘We will tell you. The first man you came across, whose head was being smashed with the rock, is the man who studies the Qur’aan then he neither recites it nor acts upon it, and he goes to sleep, neglecting the obligatory prayers. The man you came across whose mouth, nose and ears were being torn from front to back, is the man who goes out of his house in the morning and tells a lie that is so serious that it spreads all over the world. The naked men and women whom you saw in a structure that resembled an oven are the adulterers and adulteresses. The man you saw swimming in the river with rocks being thrown into his mouth is the one who consumed riba (usury).”

Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said:

This indicates that some sinners will be punished in al-barzakh (the interval between death and the Day of Resurrection).

Fath al-Baari, 12/445

12- Items stolen from the war booty will be set ablaze on the one who stole them.

Al-Bukhaari (4234) and Muslim (115) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: “We went out with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to Khaybar, and Allaah granted us victory. We did not take gold or silver as booty, but we seized goods, food and clothes, then we set out for the valley. Along with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) there was a slave called Rifaa’ah ibn Zayd. When we camped in the valley, the slave of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood up and began to unpack his saddlebag, when he was struck by a (stray) arrow which proved fatal. We said, ‘Congratulations to him, for he is a martyr, O Messenger of Allaah.’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Not so, by the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, for the small garment that he stole from the booty on the day of Khaybar and which was not part of his share is burning like fire on him.’ The people were very distressed by this. Then a man brought one or two shoelaces and said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, I found (them) on the day of Khaybar.’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘A lace of fire’ or ‘Two laces of fire.’”

13- Along with this physical punishment there will also be a spiritual or mental punishment, which is that in the grave the kaafir will be shown what would have been his place in Paradise if he had obeyed his Lord; this will increase his regret and pain when he realizes the greatness of the blessing that he has missed out on.

Ahmad (10577) narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri said: I attended a funeral with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O people, this ummah will be tested in their graves. When a man is buried and his friends leave him, an angel with a hammer in his hand comes and sits by him and asks, ‘What do you say about this man?’ If he is a believer, he says, ‘I bear witness that there is no god but Allaah and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.’ He says, ‘You have spoken the truth.’ Then a door to Hell is opened for him and he says, ‘This would have been your place if you had disbelieved in your Lord, but because you believed, this is your place.’ Then a door to Paradise is opened for him and he wants to go there, but the angel says to him, ‘Calm down,’ and his grave is made wide and spacious for him. But if he is a kaafir or a hypocrite, (the angel) says to him, ‘What do you say about this man?’ He says, ‘I do not know, I heard the people saying something.’ The angel says, ‘You did not know and you did not follow those who knew and you were not guided.’ Then a door to Paradise is opened for him and he says, ‘This would have been your position if you had believed in your Lord. But because you disbelieved, Allaah has replaced it for you with this.’ Then a gate to Hell is opened for him, and he strikes him a blow with the hammer which is heard by all of Allaah’s creation apart from the two races (of mankind and the jinn).” Some of the people said, “O Messenger of Allaah, there is no one who would have an angel standing by him holding a hammer but he would dumbfounded.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah will keep firm those who believe, with the word that stands firm.” [Ibraaheem 14:27 – interpretation of the meaning]

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in his commentary on Kitaab al-Sunnah by Ibn Abi ‘Aasim, 865

These are some of the kinds of punishment that will befall some sinners in the grave.

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=8829&ln=eng

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Is this all really true? :crying: :bummer: :teary2:

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:( Scary

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Thats the justice of ALLAH.

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I know :( Is it accurate?

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Sabriyah ; 99.9% of this all ACCURATE …as personally i have come across this info myself before in my studies during my last 4 years … and yes its scary ..but thats the real challange … knowing all this info , if a person still isnt abiing by the shariah and hukam of Allah swt and the teachings of The Holy Messenger then that person should surely deserve all this ..

there are a few things which i have not come across , but i ll have a look and if i can i ll get back to you, on what am unsure about … but nearly all of it oes make sense and especially any thing that is from ‘Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari’ Shareefs then … that is 100% correct as the Scholars of All times have united upon this that these twop book are the most authentic ahadith books on the face of this earth …

but there is few things such as head smash, pool pf blood and being pelted with stones, oven etc am a lil unsure about…so Inshaa Allah i ll try to get back …

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Thats the justice of ALLAH.

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I don't think I can believe in a Bully God who hurts his creations not based on their good deeds but only based on their pronounced faith. I can't help but feel like living a good, honest life here on Earth is just as close to God as whatever your definition of "complete obediance" is. Indeed, if one is a good person even without knowing exactly what their potential afterlife holds for them maybe they should even have a higher place- because they did good without being told that they HAD to do good.

Just my thoughts- you will most certainly disagree- but I'll bet more then just a few people have turned away from organized religion due to this exact train of thought. As a personal disclaimer, I would even LIKE to be religious, I WANT to be- but I cannot reconcile this part of the deal with myself and I don't know that I will ever be able to (though I try to keep an open-mind). As such I do not give myself a label, because I would be "faking" part of it, and that would only make me a hypocrite.

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Why would any of another faith expect anything from Allah?

Anyway, don't know what God has to do with these punishments...by definition they're all self inflicted. What would be cruel if these punishments existed, and we were never told about them, and could not alter our state of being accordingly.

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:crying:

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May Allah SWT save us and give us death with iman and life of islam. May He give us the chance of accepted repentance before we die. (ameen)

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Very well put.

In fact....Allah is kind for He has laid out the path we must follow to avoid being punished.

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Allah is kind for He has laid out the path we must follow to avoid being punished.

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He certainly doesn't seem kind. He seems to enjoy playing His little games far too much.
Maybe He and another god are battling each other in an eternal board-game to see how many beings each can get to follow their rules in order to get into heaven. The god with the most souls in heaven wins!