Public Support In Israel Frays As Toll Climbs

Only 55% of Israeli people believe they are winning the war against Hezboillah.

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Public Support In Israel Frays As Toll Climbs

With much of Israel’s northern population huddling in underground shelters and Hezbollah proving more resilient than Israeli leaders had publicly predicted, Israel’s news media, intellectual elite and public are starting to question the judgment of the country’s political and military leadership. After an extraordinary national surge of unanimity during the first days of the conflict, public support is starting to fray, with some of the nation’s most influential voices criticizing political leaders and Israel Defense Forces generals for military strategies they say have failed to protect Israeli citizens. They blame Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz for trying to lull citizens into a false sense of security, fault generals for relying too heavily on air power to destroy Hezbollah rocket launchers, and worry that Israeli troops may not have been prepared to defeat a force far tougher than Palestinian fighters. “The public should demand of the political echelon: Stop or reduce the Katyusha rocket fire,” the popular daily newspaper Ma’ariv wrote Friday. “Do what you should have done two weeks ago. . . . Bang on the table in front of the white-faced IDF officers, and demand more proposals; think and think again. . . . The time for patience has passed. You have an army, use it, or go for a cease-fire.”

The behind-the-scenes disagreements between the generals and the politicians, and among competing branches of the military, are becoming part of the public debate. This weekend, Olmert’s top security advisers are scheduled to debate whether Israeli forces should be sent deeper into Lebanon, beyond the approximately two-mile strip they are now battling to clear of Hezbollah fighters. Olmert reportedly has been reluctant to expand the military operations, while military officers are said to be chafing under his restrictions. According to military officials, field commanders are pressing Olmert, Peretz and other key ministers to approve an expansion of their offensive to include all land up to the Litani River, which roughly parallels the Israel-Lebanon border and ranges 15 miles north of it in some places. The goal would be to push Hezbollah fighters who are firing rockets farther away from Israel. “Wherever we are present, you do not see rockets fired,” Brig. Gen. Guy Tzur, commander of the Steel Division, which includes armor and infantry units operating on the eastern half of Israel’s border with Lebanon, said in an interview Friday at his headquarters in the northern town of Philon. “But we’re getting to the edge of where the government permits us. We’re not present everywhere we have to be present in order to stop more of the attacks. If we can go farther, the Israeli citizens will feel a difference.” Much of the Israeli news media and many analysts are skeptical, however . “The strikes on the home front are becoming worse as the IDF sends more and more brigades into Lebanon,” wrote Amos Harel in the daily newspaper Haaretz. “Launchings from areas in which the army is operating have been reduced by half, but Hezbollah combatants simply relocate to the next range of hills and fire from there.” But Brig. Gen. Tzur said intelligence shows that the vast majority of Hezbollah rockets have a range of 12 to 15 miles. If Israel can stop rocket launches south of the Litani River, the radical Shiite Muslim militia would be forced to use longer-range munitions, which take longer to launch, are easier to detect and destroy, and have been depleted already by Israeli bombardment. Israel’s top security officials already authorized one large expansion of the ground campaign in a four-hour meeting last week. “I hope the new decision is to let us get to the Litani. Then we will need two weeks to finish things,” Tzur said. “Believe me, after that the situation will be different. If we have the permission, we will achieve the goals. It’s very easy, we know how to do it.”

Many Israelis say they no longer trust that kind of bravado. “Their thinking of the war is anachronistic,” said Yaron Ezrahi, one of Israel’s most prominent political analysts. “They set certain kinds of goals which are unachievable like crushing and stopping missiles.” Ezrahi said he thinks the hail of Hezbollah rockets into Israel has demonstrated to the rest of the world the dangers Israel faces in the region – particularly the risks of letting Iran, one of Hezbollah’s benefactors, proceed with its nuclear programs. Rather than push deeper into Lebanon, where Israel ended an unpopular occupation of a self-declared security zone six years ago, Ezrahi said, “we can have a lot to gain by stopping now and moving to convert what we have done to political assets.” Public sentiment, which had overwhelmingly supported the war two weeks ago, is also beginning to waver. Even leftist groups supportive of peace moves with the Palestinians backed the anti-Hezbollah offensive in its first days, but several dovish groups have now called their first peace rally in Tel Aviv this weekend to demand a stop to the war. “I fought the same battles against the same enemy in the same places 16 years ago,” said Ido Ahronson, 36, a Jerusalem computer technician who served in Israel’s previous conflict in Lebanon. “We didn’t accomplish anything then, and I don’t see how we can accomplish that much now. How would you feel if George Bush decided to send you back into Vietnam? We are fighting an enemy that uses civilians as protection, knows the terrain well and is brainwashed to believe they are fighting for Islam.” The Israeli public and news media are also growing disenchanted with what some analysts see as efforts by Olmert and Peretz – both facing their first major crisis on the job – to use overly optimistic rhetoric. In a speech Tuesday, Olmert said of Hezbollah’s capability to fire rockets at Israel: “Twenty-one days later, that threat is not what it was.” The next day, Hezbollah pummeled Israel with 230 rockets – the most of any day of the conflict.

In a public opinion survey published Friday by Ma’ariv, 55 percent of respondents said they thought Israel was winning the war, and only 3.5 percent said Hezbollah was winning. But nearly 38 percent said “no one” was winning. “Look at what is going on in Haifa,” said Shaul Malka, 28, a Jerusalem taxi driver. “Haifa is a huge busy city, and now it is a ghost town. People are scared to leave the bomb shelters and walk on the streets. So how can they say we are winning?”

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Oh make no mistake yahahahodi will win this just like it did when it ran from S. Lebanon. Since the objective is to run south of south lebanon than victory is 100 percent guranteed…

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Not even 4 weeks into this conflict and 40% of Israeli people think they are not winning this war. Israeli's don't have much stomach for war, especially one that is resulting in their much vaunted military massacring hundreds of civilians, and the strenghtening not weakening of Hezbollah.

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its not the war that the israelis are against

its the way its being conducted

israel should have send in more ground troops and they should have not underestimaed hezbollah to be totally entrenched in southern lebanon

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The Arab world has chronically underestimated the Israelis. It has always hurt them. It would be a mistake to underestimate them now. Losing a war is a survival issue for the Israelis. They have no choice but to prevail.

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let them under estimate the israelis

egypt and jordan have made peace with the israelis after repeadly under-estimating the israelis

arabs think they are the only one who can fight to the death

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Zionists are also seriously underestimating the Muslim will this time around. This is no 70’s, the only choice Muslims have is to change the paradigm once and for all, they have no choice but to prevail as well and move towards the final peace treaty.

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sorry musalman, there is no muslim will..I dont see ppl lining up to fight or something...

the problem is the same, in fighting, no strateic thinking, using emotions rather than sitting down and thinking, and looking for unrealistic solutions rather than a realistic solution.

Nothing is different.

tomorrow if palestinains tur around instead of a seperate state start asking for equal rights and votes, then you see what happens in israel. its not going to happen, but then how does one not give someone equal rights, its either equal rights in the same state or human rights in a state of their own.

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Israel has forged a peace with Jordan and Egypt. They have voluntarily withdrawn from Gaza and Lebanon, fighting with their own people as they dismantled settlement.

So I am at a loss as to what new paradigm you are refering to..... As far as I know, this is a good old fashioned Middle East fight. Lebanon will lie in ruins, that is certainly not a new paradigm. Lots of civilians killed, thats not new.

Certainly there are no Muslims pounding down the doors to go die in Lebanon, sounds like they are paying the price, while you bravely man your keyboard.

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We can certainly blame Lebanon and Muslim if they started this war, which they did not. It is sad that world has not realized that Israel needs to controlled, America cannot just spoil them with $2 billion annual weaponry and expect them to behave in a civil manner. International community must understand that Israel is not only disrespecting International laws but also does not favor and respect their views. It is isolated similarly like other “terrorist” militia and countries.

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^^ I am sorry, precisely how many Pakistani soldiers can India kidnap and kill without "starting a war"?

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If Israel was serious about a final peace treaty with Lebanon, it would have withdrawn from the occupied Shebaa farms, and released the many thousands of Lebanese prisoners in their jails. No country or people can stand for these injustices, and Lebanon has waited patiently since 2000 for Israel to get out it’s territory and release it’s citizens. Only after Israel’s repeated failures, did Hezbollah conduct it’s initial military action.

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The key to the final peace treaty dictates that Zionists move back to 1967 borders, return all the stolen land, dismantle all illegal settlements, enable establishment of an independent Palestinian state without crisscross of Zionists settlements and roads. Agree to Jerusalem becoming an international city for Muslims, Christians and Jews to worship the way they like.

This is not a good old fashion fight any more; the times have changed from 48 to 67 to 74. If Zionists still think after 50 some years that they will achieve their objectives thru subjugation of people against their will then it would not take a rocket scientist to figure out that such thinking has utterly failed in its manifestation. If this is not the will of the Muslims to struggle against the state terrorism of the Zionists since the illegal placement of the Zionist entity then what do you call it.

As far as the loss in infrastructure is concerned it will perhaps take no more then 40 to 60 days to recover the loses at selling price of $75 per barrel or may be $100 to $ 200 if this goes as is, the real accomplishment is the fact that Zionist invincibility façade is broken. But western taxpayers money will not come out of ground it will have to be earned hard, with already western economies close to rescissions and the record high deficits the future generation will have to pay and settle with much lower life standards.

The Muslims around the globe in their hearts are with their brethren and are providing as much help in terms moral, diplomatic and material help, Iran and Syria being on the forefront. The threshold of Muslim tolerance hasn’t reached to the level of clash of the civilizations, but in the absence of the final peace treaty we are surely and slowly marching towards this inevitable end.

I only man the keyboard as bravely as your self.

Peace is still the only answer.

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Bull crap. Shebba farms is a tiny swath of land barely ten km square. And Syria claims it is theirs.

The prisoners could have been released with a treaty. Hizbullah wanted this war, they have been doing nothing for 6 years but prepare for this war. Fighting this war gives them credibility in the Arab world, no matter what the cost to the Lebanese people.

Let's not excuse a cult of personality and a quest for power with justice.

Hizbullah wanted a war, nothing less. Let's see how they do, and how many bodies are piled up for their powerplay.

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So what in final analysis the land belongs to the Arabs. All stolen land will have to be returned ultimately to rightful owners and reach a final peace treaty with Muslims.

In reality Zionists were the ones preparing for this war in their dreams to create a “Greater Israel” but their timing got screwed because of a preemptive strike by the Lebanese resistance movement. The question here is not of the credibility; it is a just struggle against an illegal Zionist entity, which resorts to terrorism and oppression to subjugate the people against their will.

The quest for power and dominating middle east is Zionists dream not of Lebanese resistance movement, which only wanted thousands of illegally kidnapped women and children from the Zionists in return of two Zionists POW.

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Agreed 100% this war must go on for as long as it takes for this Ummah to conclude a final peace treaty with the Zionists.

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The Zionists POWs were captured on the Lebanese territory. That was an act of war initiated by the Zionists entity it self.

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Did you really write this paragraph? It sounds like one of those random sentence generators that assemble a legible sentence out of buzz words and pat answers. You got all the key phrases in there, Illegal Zionist Entity, oppression, subjugation, blah, blah, blah. Let me guess, you were the valedictorian at your madrassa?

While you blather, a million Lebanese are displaced and the country is ruined, with no end in sight. Once again, the people of the Middle East will suffer while some "Cleric" leads the lemmings though the rubble that used to be their houses and businesses.

But, what the hell, Jihad on!

When all the people in Gaza and Lebanon were praising the "Social" work of these organizations did they reallize that the strings attached to their violent agendas were so deadly? Probably not.

And, a Hizbullah representative admitted the other day that the kidnapping of the soldiers was a plan to get prisoners released. You can drop the Al-Jazeera-esque claim that the soldiers were on Lebanese soil, even Hizbullah is no longer claiming this. Sorry.

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After almost 4 weeks of chest thumping about destroying Hezbollah in days, then weeks, and now well never, Israel suffered it’s worst day yet when 12 of it’s soldiers were killed by Hezbollah and Haifa bombarded as never before. If that is not a clear indication that Israel has LOST this war, I don’t know what is? It is clear that an increasing number of Israeli people know that their government is not winning.

Israel desperately needs a peace treaty with it’s neighbours, but will only get it when it totally withdraws from the thousands of square miles of Arab territories it occupies, releases the thousands of prisoners and stops killing civilians.

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^^ Is it over? If anything, Israel will get pi$$ed off and mobilize another 100,000 troops. 12 people died? In WWI, there was one month where the allies lost a million men. A country that feels like it is fighting for it’s very survival will not quit.

For example:

DF plans attacks on key infrastructure in Lebanon [By [EMAIL=“[email protected]”]Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/747070.html)