Protesters bring Guantánamo to Grosvenor Square

Demonstrators recreate detention camp outside US embassy in London

**Hélène Mulholland
Thursday January 11, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

**The former Guantánamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg is experiencing a surreal moment. He is watching row upon row of “inmates” in a pen as they kneel on the floor, heads bowed and clad in orange boiler suits, masks and goggles, while US soldiers walk up and down barking orders.

“It makes me feel very strange,” he says, “particularly the orders being shouted. It is almost bizarrely real - yet I know it isn’t.”

Mr Begg is standing in front of the US embassy in Grosvenor Square in central London on a grey January day as more than 300 demonstrators play out the mock Guantánamo Bay camp scenario to mark the the fifth anniversary of the arrival of the first detainees to the US naval base in Cuba.

Other protests are being held across the globe, from Brisbane to Washington DC and from Hungary to Cuba itself. Mr Begg, a British citizen, was held for four years before finally gaining his freedom after pressure from the US government. In total, 780 detainees have been held at the camp. More than 400 of those there today have had no contact with their families throughout their detention. Many are without access to lawyers, and none has been charged.

Mr Begg disagrees that the camp is a necessary evil in the “war on terror”. He says Guantánamo has created strong anti-US feelings in ordinary Iraqis who until then had no such views, and that it has excited the imaginations of insurgents. “Guantánamo Bay is producing more terrorism. In Iraq, they have dressed people in orange and executed them as a direct response. They have said that.”

Mr Begg accuses the US of perpetrating the very sort of terrorism it purports to be rooting out. Men interviewed after their release from the camp have repeatedly claimed to have been tortured. The only differences between today’s mock camp scene and Mr Begg’s own experiences, he says, are that leg and hand shackles and the ear-muffling contraptions that cut off detainees’ senses are absent here, and no one is “getting a few punches and kicks” as they kneel, sometimes for hours at a time.

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** Guantanamo Bay**…the beacon of Freedom and Justice…for the rest of the world eh. Pray tell, this is what those men are fighting for..?

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***Add to all this the delivery and distribution of Depleted Uranium shells contaminating permenantly the water and soil of Iraq…:frowning: ***


The Radio activity will last thousands of years killing babies and children for generations to come…

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^ At least the Iraqis are “liberated” be happy you ungrateful lot. :rolleyes:

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They may be deformed, born prematurely, be dying of cancers but hey…They are liberated…

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So what the ungrateful Iraqi’s should all be shouting now:


***Give me Liberty and Give me a slow and painful Death…:smiley: ***

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To prevent the spread of governments with very severe human rights violations like this: http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=5

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^^ My take on this is that you cant apply Iranian government barbarity to Afghanistan government. Afghanistan is no man's land. A feudal state, Iran has a great deal of infrastructure. You could say that the Taliban brought security to Afghanistan, but Iran needs no such thing. The Taliban were the lesser of many evils in Afghanistan (but were still illiterate fools).

But again, what Iran does in its borders is its own business.

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i r a n f o c u s
isnt it just all of a sudden!

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really? is that why the first thing they did was to hand over saddam to be hanged?

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Please tell me you can know the difference between executing a beast who killed hundreds of thousands and the gross human rights violations the ayatollahs are commiting against those who dissent against their stifling interpretation of Islam. Perhaps that is the basis of your confusion in supporting the brutal regime in Iran, you don't know the difference.

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err have you seen the website you posted, the pics are of folks being executed because they're serious convicted criminals and have been found guilty by the law of murders and what not? are you feeling allright seminole?

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Ok, I just posted the first of several thousand links on the severe human rights violations of Iranian citizens and prisoners. I'm not going to google for you, but check out any international human rights group report on the Iranian treatment of religious minorities, students, dissenters, etc without your rose colored glasses on.

Maybe then you will can start a thread on Iranian students protesting the government and being jailed or killed for it. But I doubt it, that wouldn't fit your biased agenda, would it?

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yeah if i have the time and feeling suicidal perhaps, i might just read it.

The first page tells me alot about the fact that they've put convicted criminals up there as iranian 'abuse', the rest is most likely the same old crap.

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For the intellectual dishonest and impaired: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Iran+human+rights+abuses

:google:

These are reports by the very same human rights groups you cite when it suits your agenda. But you are right - it’s the same old crap. The crap you can’t admit to.

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like i said i’ll check em in my own time. but sem, check out your link, second one down.

Human Rights Group Criticizes US for Abuses](http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-01-15-voa38.cfm&sa=X&oi=news&ct=result&cd=1&usg=__2ceYl2hBRglMBZgM0IWpywcXhFc=) - Voice of America - 15 Jan 2007

interesting read eh. :wink:

anyways back to the topic at hand, how on earth do folks you justify gitmo with iran?

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I don't. I don't approve of gitmo, the war, the policies, the divisiveness, the eroding of civil liberties or almost anything else the Bush administration has done or represents.

But my question to you is -- how on earth do you advocate a government that is 10 times worse? Why all the fuss over US (relatively abuse-free) while praising one of the worst abusers in the world?

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you so do. whenever gitmo comes up, you bring up iran as an excuse…:confused:

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And whenever you bring up human rights abuses/beligerant governments/lack of freedoms you bring up the US.

But yet you get all goose-pimply about the righteous government of Iran in every other post. :confused:

I don’t excuse gitmo, I think it is another in a long list of Bush failures. It probably is producing more terrorism. But I won’t spend one minute here complaining about it when we have prisons that are 50 times worse in 50 different countries that are never addresses.