Prophets...

Who were these guys?

There is a riwayyat which says, that there have been 124,000 prophets sent to mankind…This is just a riwayyat, but it’s a very strong riwayyat prevalent around, but it is a given that every nation has been given or sent a prophet…

Recently I took a course in mythology and studied the Iliad and the Odyssey. I was amazed…The wordings, the empahasis on humans, the strength and traits of the gods, all so similar…Did you know that all three mythologies (Greek, Roman, Norse) had a flood in them and some sort of an angel, a hell, a paradise?

I mentioned this to one of my classmates, he said that’s why he doesn’t believe in any religious s**t because it’s probably all made up anyways…

I studied the role that heroes played and the honors showered upon them…Theirs and the gods’ ideas about bravery, honor, guests, neighbors, allegiance, brotherhood, fidelity, patience and sacrifice…Very nice…

Or what about Plato? What about his theory on prophethood? He portrays that so beautifully with the ‘Allegory of the Cave’…His view on ‘Good’…His standard of character, the highest being something, just ‘Good’…He didn’t have a name for it, he just said the highest was ‘Good’…

What about Lao-Tze? Daoism is profound. It has analogies you won’t find anywhere written in poetry and prose.

Buddhism. The peace loving religion.

Even Hinduism,
From the Bhagvadgita:

English Translation:

*I am the source of al Spiritual and Material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly understand this engage themselves in My devotional service and worship Me with all their heart. *

If this saying is attrubuted to Allah :swt:, I agree with this 100%…I hope it is, other wise it becomes :nook:

So it comes to mind that, couldn’t these people of different times, been exposed to the teachings of these Prophets? Buddha might have been a prophet? He brought the teachings of Divinity, but the people through the ages corrupted his teachings to make him godlike?

Or How about Greeks? Couldn’t they have been given the message of Divinity, but later they gave the Divine wives, children and concubines :nauzubillah:…

The Anglican church recently appointed an active gay man as a minister…I am sure mod-Muslims will approve of the freedom of expression…:hehe:…But can you imagine him teaching about the people of Lut :as:, or passages from the city of Sodom and Gomorrah to a 12 year old? The twelve year old knowing well that this man is a sodomite, asks him why the people of Sodom were destroyed…

Well, a few changes will have to be made to the message of Bible…Perhaps the church thought by adopting a gay man as a priest, you would be saving countless thousands of other homosexuals by bringing them to the church…

So anyways, my belief is they might have been prophets. Prophets or not, I know little else except that the class was interesting…It gave me a lot of nonsensical questions like the one I am proposing here. Even if they were the message of Allah :swt:, they are of little use to me now,
because now I have the most recent, updated and uncorrupted form of the message.

But nonetheless, it’s always interesting to see how people saw things and how they were…Some of the teachings are very sublime…

And anyways, the Japanese had a saying, : 'You can find wisdom even in s**t, if you just know how to look…"

Lajawab, I kind of agree to your analysis. If we advocate the opinion that religious s**t is not made up, we have no option but to find a common root in all religions. I as a matter of my faith believe that almost all the religions that have popularly prevailed in the past must have been from God, through prophets.

Be careful though, because Mirza Ghulam Ahmed said Krishna of the Hindus and Budha were prophets, and invited a lot of criticism by making that claim. Your anslysis has been carried out in more depth by him. You don't have to believe in him, but I'd suggest you read him concerning this topic.

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Originally posted by Paaga| |nsaan: *
Lajawab, I kind of agree to your analysis. If we advocate the opinion that religious s
*t is not made up, we have no option but to find a common root in all religions. I as a matter of my faith believe that almost all the religions that have popularly prevailed in the past must have been from God, through prophets.

Be careful though, because Mirza Ghulam Ahmed said Krishna of the Hindus and Budha were prophets, and invited a lot of criticism by making that claim. Your anslysis has been carried out in more depth by him. You don't have to believe in him, but I'd suggest you read him concerning this topic.
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No claims, just hypotheses...As for Mirza sahib, he can claim whetever he wants...After all, he claimed to be a prophet...

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *

No claims, just hypotheses...As for Mirza sahib, he can claim whetever he wants...After all, he claimed to be a prophet...
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Your hypothesis resembles that of him. Aap ka wazu toot gya hai!

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*Originally posted by Paaga| |nsaan: *

Your hypothesis resembles that of him. Aap ka wazu toot gya hai!
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I don't think mentioning or writing Mirza sahib's name nullufies your wuzu...He wasn't that bad...

:k: You have a future!

Woohoo!

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *

I don't think mentioning or writing Mirza sahib's name nullufies your wuzu...He wasn't that bad...
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mentioning the satan's name does nothing to ur wudhoo....
so why wud mirza's name nullify it....
BUT any guy who claims false prophethood, and also claims Allah came into him, is 'that bad'....

Re: Prophets…

This quote is surely attributed to Allah (i.e., the One true God), though of course in Sanskrit the name for God is different (“Ishwar”, “Bhagwan”, etc.).

At its heart, Hinduism is also monotheistic. Unfortunately, a large part of the Hindu scriptures is written in parables (without any warning that it is a parable). When a “normal” person reads the scriptures, they tend to take them literally, and that tends to cause a lot of confusion. However, when a truly wise and intuitive person reads the same, they are able to discern the true meaning.

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*Originally posted by armughal: *

mentioning the satan's name does nothing to ur wudhoo....
so why wud mirza's name nullify it....
BUT any guy who claims false prophethood, and also claims Allah came into him, is 'that bad'....
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the same OLD objections, without knowing anything about the real facts.