prophet (pbuh) wives not part of ahlay - bait ?

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Someone (shia) posted in another thread that the wives of the prophet can’t be considered members of ahlay-bait cuz since they are women, they can be divorced and thus not part of the family..

my qestion is, how many of you shias can go to your mom and tell her that she is not part of your family cuz shes a woman and can be divorced anytime???

and if someone does ask

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, lemme know what reply she gave you..

and don’t go twisting this. one of you posted this and i just need a clarification.

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salam

bro noman. the ahl-al-bayt of the prophet(SAWS) are those on whom sadaqa(charity) is declared Haram. Even their offsprings who are called 'syeds' cannot be given charity.

I can honestly say that to my mom. If your wife is an outsider, not a distan relative( cousin) than if you divorce her she wont have any relation with you our family. On the other hand The reason Biib Fatima(AS) is 'included' first of all she gave birth 2 grandsons and a duaghetr, to continue the genration of the Prophet(SAWS). Secondly She was a close relative of Imam Ali(AS) . Imam Ali(AS's father and Prophet(SAWS)'s father were blood 'brother's. So Imam Ali(AS) and Prophet(SAWS) were first cousins. And Bibi Fatima(AS) was the daughter of Prophet(SAWS).

So even before Marraige Bibi Fatima(AS) was a close elative of Imam Ali(AS). That was not the case with the wives of the prophet(SAWS).

They were outsiders. Once they were divorced they would have no relation with the Prophet(SAWS)'s family

I hope I made myself clear here.

Take care

Wa-Salamun-Alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu

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well the real ahl-e-bayt have pure blood in them. NO KAFFIR BLOOD. They and their ancestors never bowed infront of idles.

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salman-

what you are implying here is that muslims are destined to divorce their wives.
If quran gave women a right to inheritance, its because they are part of the family, not strangers

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[quote]
Originally posted by Pagluu:
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well the real ahl-e-bayt have pure blood in them. NO KAFFIR BLOOD. They and their ancestors never bowed infront of idles.
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A child carries the blood from both his parents, and in this case, wouldnt Hazrat Fatima RA carry her mother, Hazrat Khadijas RA blood too?
And what about Prophet SAWs other daughters? Why arent they included in Ahl-e-bait? He(SAW) had 3 other daughters.

Quoted by Salman..
I can honestly say that to my mom. If your wife is an outsider, not a distan relative( cousin) than if you divorce her she wont have any relation with you our family
Doesnt your mother have a never-ending relationship with you? even after carrying you inside her for nine months and feeding u through her own body for a year or more?

Your above mentioned condition applies only to the husband and other relatives. The children will always maintain a blood relation with their mother.
As for the relationship between a wife and a husband, yes, its breakable.

[This message has been edited by Eastern Analog (edited January 04, 2001).]

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[quote]
Originally posted by Eastern Analog:
** Doesnt your mother have a never-ending relationship with you? even after carrying you inside her for nine months and feeding u through her own body for a year or more?

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Yes but what if that mother is not your real mother(as the case with the prophets wives and Bibi fatema)

As far as the scholars are concerned that fatema was the only daughter and the rest were his step-Daughters.

At the time of declaration of Ahle-bayt umm-ul-momineen katijha was in her heavenly abode. and scince Fatema was the only daughter and her mother was not present so the other can't be counted.

** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**

Imam jaffar-Saddiq

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What is the "exact defination" of Ahl-e-Bait?

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[quote]
Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
** As far as the scholars are concerned that fatema was the only daughter and the rest were his step-Daughters.
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Okay Shahjahan what exactly do you mean by this???

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At the time of declaration of Ahle-bayt umm-ul-momineen katijha was in her heavenly abode. and scince Fatema was the only daughter and her mother was not present so the other can't be counted.
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And what time was that?Who declared who as Ahley-Bait??

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God didnt intended that muslims start following Prophets family a ssome of the other nations did before Islam. If God had intended that why didnt prophets son survived.Prophet Muhammad completed his mission to transfer word of God.No revelation from God to came to any human being after that including his family.
Thats the universality o and beauty of Islam which made it spread all over the world. How many people can be converted to islam when they r told that one has to follow someone from the prophets family today. Thats the foremost reason I follow Islam that it gives even respect to all whether u r Syed or converted.

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http://www.understanding-islam.com/rm/mo-009.htm

The phrase “Ahl al Bayet” or “Ahlaka”, in the classical Arabic language, as well as in the Qur’an, just like the general usage of the phrase “Ahl e Khana” in the Urdu language, is used for a polite and respectful reference to the wife/wives of a person. As an expansion of this connotation, sometimes the phrase is also used to refer to the members of one’s household.

However, it is clear that the Qur’an has used this phrase to refer to one’s wife/wives. The Qur’an has used this phrase at two instances. In Surah Hu’d 11: 73, the phrase has been used for Sarah (ra), the wife of Abraham (pbuh). While in Surah Al-Hujraat 33: 33, it has been used to address the wives of the Prophet (pbuh). At both these instances, the context of the related verses clearly points to the fact that the reference of this phrase is toward the wife/wives of the two prophets of God.

The phrase Ahl al-Bayet is not used in the Arabic language for the Ummah or the following of a person. Nevertheless, the word “Aal” as in “Aal-e-Fir’aun” has also been used to imply the followers of a person, besides the obvious connotation of one’s children, as is clear from the phrase **“Aal-e-Firaun”** itself (Al-Baqarah 2: 49, 50, Aal Imraan 3: 11, Al-Aaraaf 7: 130, 141, Al-Anfaal 8: 52, 54 etc.) as the Pharaoh referred to in this verse did not have any children.

They shoot partypoopers, don’t they?

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Thanks Br. Partypooper for your kind reply, apparently this information seems to differ in its primary objective from that of the Shia Fiqh. Why?

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[quote]
Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
** Yes but what if that mother is not your real mother(as the case with the prophets wives and Bibi fatema)**
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Hazrat Khadija RA was Hazrat Fatimas RA real mother.

As far as the scholars are concerned that fatema was the only daughter and the rest were his step-Daughters.

Hazrat Khadija RA bore 6 children with the Prophet SAW, 4 daughters and 2 sons. Both the sons, Qasim and Abdullah died in their infancy, around the age of 2. The 4 daughters, of whom Hazrat Fatima RA was the youngest, all lived to, or beyond their teens.
Hazrat Zainab, the eldest daughter of Prophet SAW, had kids too, who were revered very much by Prophet SAW and loved them a lot, especially her eldest daughter, Imamah. Hazrat Zainab died in her 20s.
Hazrat Ruqaiyyah was His SAW second daughter, who died in her early 20s as well. Hazrat Umme Qulsoom the third, and she died a mere 2 years before Prophet SAWs death, in her late teens.
And Hazrat Fatima RA, the youngest, died a few months after Prophet SAWs death, also in her late teens.

And then Ummul Momineen, Hazrat Maria Qibtia RA also bore Prophet SAW a son, Ibrahim, who died soon after his birth.

So, as mentioned above, Prophet SAW had 7 children, 3 of whom died in their infancy. But regardless of the time of their death, they were a part of the Prophets SAW family.

I have never seen any 'scholar' saying these were not Prophets SAW real daughters. So the big is, why are they not included in Ahle bait.

QUoted by Pagluu
well the real ahl-e-bayt have pure blood in them. NO KAFFIR BLOOD. They and their ancestors never bowed infront of idles.

Ahle bait, as mentioned so many times in this forum, have pure blood in them. What is pure blood? A lot of people from the Prophets SAW ancestors were kuffar. His own uncles, his fathers brothers, Abu Lahab and Abu Jahal, were the worst enemies of Islam. Prophet SAW inherited their blood too. And his children inherited his blood. Anyone care to shed any light on this?

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As-Salamun-Alaikum

you see thats where shias and sunnis differ easterna analog.

Shias believe that the 'main link' between Harat Ibrahim(AS) and Hazrat Muhammad(SAWS) was PURE. In other words the father of Prophet Muhammad(SAWS) and his fathers father and so on were 'followers of the religion of Ibrahim(AS)'. Now there might be people in his family who were not considered 'pure'. Take Abu Jahl's Example. But he was not part of the direct link, which is father to father of Prophet Muhammad(SAWS). Let's not forget about the Prophet Lut(AS)'s family and Prophet Nuh(AS)'s family. Some of the people in their family were not belivers of the truth while others were.

Anyway these are just our beliefs, I don't have anything to back them up at the moment.

take care

Wa-Salamun-Alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu

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Salam

the ahl-e-bait is: this what I have concluded

U know how we read the durood shareef…well in that we say may allah(swt) bless the family of Muhammad(saw) like you did the family of Ibrahim(as)

and do U also remember the time when the kaba was being made? Hazrat Ismail(as) (upon completion of the Kaba) prayed that a prophet would be born in the family of Hazrat Ibrahim(as) therefore…Hazrat Ibrahim would be the ancestors of Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa(saw)…sooo the ahl-e-bait of the prophet(saw) being blood relatives, and that is Y the other three imam’s are not considered part of the ahl-e-bait.
then to further go on and prove that bibi aisha(ra) is not part of the ahl-e-bait, consider the following point:
-if a non syed man marries a syed woman…are her kids gonna be syed? NOPE
-if a syed man marries a none syed woman, are their kids syed? YES soo it’s from the male, and not the female…therefore someone who’s father is not syed can not be syed…soo if U put this into the case of the wife of the prophet(saw) she was not syed, since hazrat abu bakr(ra) was not from the family of the Prophet(saw), and neither were the other kaliphs{hazrat uthman and hazrat umer(ra)}…but since amir-ul-mumineen hazrat ali(as) was Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa’s(saw) cousin, therefore being an offspring of Hazrat Ibrahim(as) is from the ahl-e-bait, soo the children of amir-ul-mumineen Hazrat Ali(as) and bibi Fatima(as) were from the ahl-e-bait, and their children and so on.

take care ya’ll…latez

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wasalam

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Anyone know which scholar decided who was Ahl-Bayt and who wasn't?

Did Hazrat Ali mention who was ahl-bayt?

Jazakallah