In all aspects of life we judge based on what we know not basing it on what athiests hope to know in the future. Whether in cases brought forward to a judge or even in science when genetic engineering is being promoted yet scientists do not know all the results of such a technology.
Science cannot prove that Allah exists because science is the study of matter. The scientific method involves studying matter in controlled conditions and testing it under certain conditions with a 'cause' and to see the result of the 'cause' and therby understand the property of the matter being tested. Therefore scientists need to perform test on Allah to confirm that he indeed is the creator which they cannot do therefore they cannot prove or disprove that Allah exists.
When scientists reject 'cause and effect' they reject the scientific method and therby reject science.
Before we go on to discuss problems in society lets stick to the points I have put forward.
We can take a lesson from Ibrahim(as) who became intellectually convinced of the existence of Allah. Even when one of the sahaba(ra) accidentally knocked a idol onto the floor and broke it he explained to his mother and father who were worried that 'if it can't protect itself then how can it protect you?'
Whenever we criticise mushriks we use intellectual arguments yet the majority of us hold on to Islam because of a feeling and when this feeling it strong we act according to Islam and when this feeling is low we do not. Hence many groups work on promoting this feeling through dhikr or going on jamaat in order to maintain the feeling.
Why don't we work on the intellect? It is what Allah(swt) expects from us:
"Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alteration of night and day, these are indeed signs for men of understanding." [Aali-Imran: 190]
"And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Behold! herein indeed are signs for men of knowledge." [Ar-Rum: 22]
" Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the difference of night and day, and the ships which run upon the sea with that which is of use to men, and the water which Allah sendsdown from the sky, thereby reviving the earth after its death, and dispersing all kinds of beasts therein, and in the ordinance of the winds, and the clouds obedient between heaven and earth are signs (of Allah's sovereignty) for people who have sense." [Al-Baqarah: 164]
The theory of "strings" about our universe proves that God exists. It kicks the "Big Bang" theory in the ass, something the atheists used as a scientific prove that there can't be God, yet that theory it self was flawed since it didn't explain how did the "Big Bang" occur or why.
The theory of "strings" proves that there was existence forever and ever. There was no such thing as "the beginning". And only Islam states that God always was/is.
To belive in something the mind needs to be convinced if it is not convined then the belief is just based on emotion and this is wrong because emotion changes and is not solid foundation at all.
Yes true.. i dont deny. But what is ur proof. U start with a hypothesis that God exist. Then u went around and come about saying that God cannot be proven to exist. U r clearly biased.
Then coming to matter. From the theory of relativity time and matter are interlinked. Time started when matter start to exist. So scientist cannot forsee something which is beyond time. But if u want to attribute that to God then u can.
But u dont answer so many things.. why so many lanaguages.. Why so many races. Why so much diversity. Why so much veriety of floura and founa. This is under the jurusdication of time. And there are scientific theories and even expt. to prove the theory of evolution. If God created everything, then why so much diversity. Why so much chaos.
The reasoning could be God created and then vanished.It allowed the stars to form, planets and then moons to form. It allowed everything to form.. but never took side with anything. He/She allowed the evolution to take place without interfering. And then human race start to evolve. They had a little more gray matter and a bit cowardice in them. So some smart chaps created all these relegions and they inturn created Gods.
I dont understand God. I cannot think that God is a Muslim.I cannot think that God is a Christian.. and i cannot believe that God is a Hindu or a Jew. What happened during Tsunami.. All most all people on earth practicing allmost all relegions were affected by it. What was their fault. They are far worse people living elsewhear but nothing happened to them.
Rather than going to hand waving argument.. is their any logical answer to all this.
If you read my first post (properly) you will see I didn't start with the hypothesis that God exists.
My first point is that 'Matter is limited and dependent'. If you start tackling my points one by one then maybe we can have some sort of a discussion.
Diversity, tsunami, religion, diversity and all those other issues are not part of the argument. This discussion is about the proof that a creator exists and not about anything else. I will discuss these issues in a separate topic but not in this one.
So is matter limited and dependent? If you agree I'll go to the next point.
Im not too sure what you are saying here but i am muslim because i am convinced of the evidence about islam and the creator.
If i am in iceland prophets have been sent to all parts of the world this is something all people accept if the message has been corrupted along the way then unless islamic message reached these people then they have brains they can see that this life is no accident there is creator and organisor of this life nothing can happen by itself they can come to this conclusion.
Matter is limited this is so obvious why are people arguing aginst the obvious. I think it is too much information for these guys to handle that is why they diverting the topic off in a tangent.
What Islamic prophets have been sent to Iceland? While it is easy for someone born in a Muslim culture to say Islam is the obvious conclusion, surely one can see how Islam may not be so obvious to Icelanders. There is so much Arab specific culture in Quran and sunnah. I'm sure if Muhammed was sent to the North Atlantic, Islam would be obvious to them and not to Arabs. Would Arabs really have ever adopted a religion from another part of the world? I don't think their pride and egocentricity would have allowed it.
Raihan..I am sorry the only thing i wanted to tell u is that.. ur faith in god is supreme to anything. So once u believe strongly in something then u will tend to not to see the other side of the story.. I am not an atheist either.. but i do science. I dont beleive in supernatural..unscientific reasoning. There should be a reason for everything.
Matter and time and dependent. There are many scientific theories which are proven only mathematicaly. The quantum mechanics is one such field. Einstein who believed in god was the first to use that method to explain his photo electric effect. But then he spent the rest of the time saying that god doesnt play dice and things like that. But finally he couldnt prove anything.. he could not refute the quantum principle. There was many discoveries later which proved that quantum mechanics hold good. Certain properties of electron which we cant measure can be mathematicaly proven. We cannot imagine such things, there are no classical anlogue to such properties ..
If i say that matter or time was created by some form of equation.. will u believe me.