Avamerican My name is irrelevant my actions i will be accounted for. But since you asked anyway my first name begins with A and surname is begins with letter K. what do you prefer to change my name to Mary Poppins.
*No one is trying to reduce Islam. No one. *
Avamericangirl I belive the governments are reducing islam they are activly working in this direction clamping down on islamic groups labelling them as terrorists. I belive your intentions are sincere but your governments are not.
Respect each others traditions. I certainly respect yours.
Thats good i have nothing against xstianity or judaism i think they are incorrect but does'nt mean i don;t respect your right to belive in them.
Reconciliation interfaith means, respect, appreciation ( to learn), tolerance, and mostly knowing that its all of our job/destiny to live in this world together. It was God's idea. He granted us this grace. Lets not disappoint him, whatever religion we may follow?
I disagree the interfaith dialougues have more political motivations i.e like i said previously to reduce islam from political,social and judicial system to just a ritual system which it is more than. In any case what do you need to know islam they belive in muhammad(saw) and the quran, xstians belive in bible and jesus and jews belive in torah and moses. What more you want to understand than this :)
The point is, anyway you look at it, We all believe in the same God!
And that is God's test.
Christianity derived from Judism. Jewish people follow their traditions. Christians believe in trinity. Muslims believe that Mohammad taught them a correct way of life.
I believe that God granted all of us his grace. He also accepted different ways that people express belief.
Nobody is wrong or right here. Just different. And I believe loved in God's eyes.
who is one you watching too much Matrix im not da one
But back to your post if nobody is right and nobody is wrong then what point of me being a muslim why dont i become a buddist or a fireworshipper.
This is same with the capitalist system which is built on concept of compromise they say made deal with the church hundreds of years ago that church will deal with affairs of ritual and man will be in charge of lifes affairs. I.e leave what is caesars to caesar and leave what is gods to god.
When you belive in compromise that is why you have questions today in capitalist system is homosexuality right or wrong, is executing prisoners right or wrong if you say nobody is right and nobody is wrong no wonder you have chaos and confusion in society!
In islam it is clear what is right and what is wrong you know where you stand. As for proof of islam i belive it is the truth and judaism and xstianity is incorrect if i belived they where correct i would have become of those beliefs.
What is Ceasars is Ceasers. What is of God, belongs to God.
My concept of God is someone forgiving and nuetral. If he wasn't? Why would so many believe in God? I like to think that God cherishes all who believe. I like to believe it doesn't matter how you believe, or, how you practise your belief!
What is important, is that you and I believe in the same God. We believe. Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
God showed himself to us in many different ways. That was his decision. He made that decision. It was his to make. His decicison. Not yours or mine. His.
And by being humans, we worship him in many different ways.
If it does'nt matter to you what you belive then why you not a muslim. I tell you why because you think xstianity is correct and you are convinced its the truth in your opinion. Fair enough
But i belive islam is correct and xstianity is incorrect. Secondly islam is a complete system which covers economy, social system, judicial system.
I have read up on xstianity & judaism both do not have an economic system, social system or judicial system.
This in turn means islam is a comphrensive system with a spiritual and politcal aqeedah.
Xstianity and Judasim are spirtitual beliefs only. This is why Islam is so different yes they belive in 1 god yes islam recognize jesus(pbuh) and moses(pbuh). But they are different as islam has system of life the others do not.
aqeedah = decisive,definitive,intellectual belief obtained through mindful thinking which results in belief in allah(swt)
My thinking is that Islam is a true religion, on that I can agree. True in the sense that its something you feel in your heart.
What I disagree is how one who follows the Islamic Religion has the right to determine that Islam is the only correct way of praising God.
My thinking hasn't changed. I believe as I have always believed that God granted us wisdom. If he in his wisdom taught all of us belief? Why argue over the way its presented?
I don't buy that there is a right way or a wrong way to have faith in God.
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Ak47,
Isn't our right to determine who is correct. It's God's.
In my thinking, God doesn't discriminate, or favor one over another.
My reasons are simple. He wanted all humans to have faith in Him.
btw, your wrong on legal issues. It was from Jewish teaching that we learned Law.
AvgGirl
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Avamerican
Of course its our right we have ability to distinguish right from wrong this is so basic i don't even need to explain it but it looks like i am gonna have 2!
Is idol worship rigth or wrong tell me
Is adolf hitler right or wrong for what he did
Is homosexuality right or wrong
Same with belief in islam it is not accepted on day of judgement if you are xstain or jew it no excuse that oh we belive in 1 god or in some xstians view god is 3 as in trinity!
In islam Allah(swt) accepts only the christians at time of jesus(pbuh) and jews at time of moses(pbuh) as explained in surah al baraqah in quran. the xstians and jews after these times there priests and rabbis corrupted the books and therefore went astray.
As for your assumption that judaism has judicial system can you provide me with evidence of that a system of judiciary is in the jewish faith and also if it is comprehensive system of life having both a political and spiritual aqeedah(belief)
I have read judaism and there is no judicial system at all they have few quotes like bible eye for an eye, thou shall not steal but this is not judicial system where you need explanation of court system, who sits in judgement, who executes punishment etc etc there is nothing like this.
The way to judge correct belief is the foundation of your belief if it is weak then your belief is weak.
Islam is based on 100% definete proof of creator and 100% proof of the quran as the truth. This is the intellectuall basis. If your judaism and xsianity can stand up to this criteria then bring it. But from what i heard from you oh everybody is right and nobody is wrong meaning your belief is weak as you consider others as equal or valid as yours. I consider islam as truth and judaism and xstianity as incorrect they cannot even compare to islam and that is definite. In the quran it challenges any man come on if you think islam is wrong then come on challenge you openly
"Say, bring ten surahs like unto it." [TMQ 11:13]
You cant do ten just just 1 will do come on
"Say, bring one surah like unto it." [TMQ 10:38]
This was challenge to arabs of the day who where eloquant poets the best of the best they could'nt meet the challenge just as today this challenge still there. So tell me what is xstianity proof or challnege to mankind to proove if it is incorrect belief or correct belief.
Averamericna girl blind faith is no good for nobody it best for you to have a foundation with no doubt and this done by using the brain and contemplating on what is truth or not.
I don't know why you can't understand a basic point.
You belive all faith are correct and nobody is wrong.
I belive islam is correct and your faith is wrong. Doe'snt mean i am going to put sword to your head like depicted in your media to force you to become muslim because as a muslim i accept your choice to belive xstianity i don;t agree with it as correct but it your choice and right.
Jesus(pbuh) not fake he is prophet of allah(swt). but i don't belive he is son of god and also i don;t belive in trinity business.
I cannot accept any belief as same or equal to islam as this will make me non muslim "And whosoever seeks a Deen other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him."[Al-Imran: 85]
Also this issue of abrahamic faith and we all same is refuted in quran
"Ibraheem was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one who truly submitted (Musliman) (to Allah's will)." [Al-Imran: 67]
In your opinion? Abraham was what? Moot? I disagree completely. (beside the point of a musilmann? Have you any concept at all? what it mean to almost survive as a musilman in WWII?
And? Aren't people who believe in Jesus? People of the book? or are they all demons? Remember Jesus was also a prophet of God.
When one says "in the name of the father, the son, the holy spirit"
To me means in the name of God,..of GOD, and in God's grace, one prays.
yeah right i know americans are not very good in maths but really this is going to far.
How you gonna say 3 = 1
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I did’nt say xstains are demons i said they are non muslim and if they die in state of shirk i/e non islam than they not going to jannah(paradise) this is clear in islam.
As for people of the book this is correct in context this refers to xstains of jesus(pbuh) time and jews of moses(pbuh) time the xstains and jews aftre theses prophets there preists and rabbis distorted there books and they are no longer accepted.
Its where I differ from the church. Though it was my catholic schooling that brought me the idea.
I stick with my believe that God showed himself to many different peoples.
So, in my thinking, God gave you your believe, and he gave me mine. There is no wrong way to believe in "our God."
Unless of course, you don't believe et-al.
P.S. It's what the baptists say. Lutherans don't believe in the trinity.
(but they are all Christians...., (big comma).
Some of the things that come out of some Christians? mouths? ARE simply not christian.
Catholics have been one of many oppressed.
If you look around? You will find that Catholics are against War with Iraq.
(even though we are popish, means, most believe in the Popes words.) And you will find that we listen to his thinking, and respect, but sometimes question? and might disagree. But all in all, the pope is a gentle person with good intentions, and means well.
