Re: Prominent Jews call for open debate on Israel
the fact is that israelis have withdrew from the sinai when egypt made peace and almost withdrew from the golan in 1995 when they almost made peace with syria
So ?
You expect me to give Israel credit when thys handed back Sinai, when Sinai belonged to Egypt all along.
Re: Prominent Jews call for open debate on Israel
yes, but some people are still under the impression that Israel wants to expand from the nile to the euphrates
This just shows that given the right conditions of peace Israel will leave occupied territories
Re: Prominent Jews call for open debate on Israel
Yah under their conditions and stipulations...thats not peace process, how about just making it all one country...equal rights for all...but then muslim majority, thats a big no no.
Re: Prominent Jews call for open debate on Israel
would pakistan agree to something similar if hindu refugees who left in 1947 wanted to come back but they outnumbered the muslims in pakistan?
Re: Prominent Jews call for open debate on Israel
theres nothing like dat going on between pakistan and india, each have equal rights in their own countries, so it can't be compared with israel or palestine...ya know...lalalalalala.....this issue never will be settled until both parties in this dispute r looked at with an unbiased approach, do u agree? I mean if u.s. wanted both countries would be living in peace right now.
Re: Prominent Jews call for open debate on Israel
Whatever the final settlement will be the refugees will never be allowed into Israel as they will be the majority and negate the entire purpose of Israel
Re: Prominent Jews call for open debate on Israel
This just shows that given the right conditions of peace Israel will leave occupied territories
i"right conditions for peace" - i.e. when all the palestinians are killed!! b/c its seems thats the ONLY ultimate objective of the ppl who keep claiming well ... if there is no peace we will keep making violence, and bobming, and b/c there is violence and bombing, there is no peace, and thus since there is no peace we will keep making violence!!!
Re: Prominent Jews call for open debate on Israel
Well the anti-zionist = anti-semetic is an old ruse that is always pulled when those who use this equivalence have no leg to stand on. So now we have anti-semetic Jews, just because these jews actually dare to use their freedom of thoght and expression to criticise the genocidal policies of the zionist entity.
In case you’ve not heard about Jimmy Carter being labelled.
"Carter Enters Lions’ Den
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At the age of 82, Jimmy Carter entered the lion’s den. With the publication of his latest book, “Palestine: Peace not Apartheid,” he did what a patriot would do: rally Americans to vigorous debate of a critical issue that affects our future. He deserves a hero’s praise. Instead, he has been attacked and defamed.
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I also experienced firsthand what Carter now faces. Toward the end of my 22-year tenure in Congress, I spoke in favor of Palestinian rights and was critical of Israeli policies of Palestinian land confiscation and Jewish-only settlements on Palestinian lands. These actions were counter to American policy and values. They dimmed chances for peace.
As a result of my evenhanded position, the pro-Israel lobby poured money into my opponent’s campaign. I overcame their challenge in 1980 but lost in 1982 by a narrow margin. Still, the message was heard loudly on Capitol Hill: Criticize Israel and pay with your congressional seat.
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Carter has dared to call a spade a spade. South African leaders, like Archbishop Desmond Tutu and UN Envoy John Dugard, compare Israeli policies to apartheid. The Israeli press uses the term, as do Israeli politicians. Former Education Minister Shulamit Aloni said in a recent commentary, “Indeed apartheid does exist here.” Pro-Israel lobby groups have not debated the credence of these claims. Instead, they lob accusations and insults, even insinuating that Carter is anti-Semitic. They do not prove him wrong with facts. They seek to discredit him with innuendo.
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American policy has long held, for example, that Israeli settlements on occupied Palestinian land are illegal. Yet Israel continues to build them. American values demand that all people be treated equally, that rights be doled out in equal measure regardless of one’s race, religion or ethnicity.
Yet, as Carter points out in his book, Israel endows Jewish settlers living on Palestinian land with full rights, while denying those rights to the Palestinians living on their own land.
If these issues were debated openly, U.S. policymakers would have to hold Israel accountable and demand that our financial and diplomatic support be contingent upon Israel upholding American values and policy positions.
Yet there is silence. Critical discussion of Israeli policies is non-existent in Congress. Rather than conducting vigorous committee hearings, as happens with other issues, members of Congress compete to outdo one another in statements of support for Israel. And American tax dollars keep flowing uninterrupted to Israel.
Our unconditional support of Israel damages our credibility on the world stage. It deprives us of potential allies in the Arab and Muslim worlds. It allows Israel to remain intransigent and condemns Palestinian and Israeli children to decades more of conflict.
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http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0208-32.htm