Procedure for Divorce?

I searched the web but couldn’t come up with more than its basics and general role it plays in society.

Does anyone know, how it should be done?

What about the Haq Mahr, is it due at the time of divorce or can it be given before?

What about kids, who gets the custody from Islamic perspective?

Support after marriage… supporting the kids or both the kids and their mother (alimony) after divorce?

Maybe some other important stuff that comes with two separating souls?

Links to websites* (quran and sunnah, sunni thought)* would be appreciated.

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No body? :O

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Sorry, I didn't see this thread yesterday. I am just giving a preliminary response based on memory. Hopefully someone will come along and provide you references.

Re: Haq Mehr. Its a wedding gift for the wife and should be given to her as per agreement. Preferred is to give it right at the time of marriage. In some instances, the bride can agree to make it "On Demand" or can give it up altogether. It should not be linked to divorce; however, if any haq mehr is not paid and divorce occurs, it should be paid right away. If husband dies before fully paying the Haq Mehr, that is the first right wife has (to collect haq mehr)

Re: Naan-nafqa / alimony: Not too sure about those. I think husband is required to pay according to financial status. Also child support should be provided until the age of 7. I seem to recall that father gets custody after kids reach the age of 7, but I have not researched this and do not know for sure. Practically I think, if someone is living in a Western country, then local laws should be followed.i, otherwise 'deadbeat dad laws' may kick in. :)

Re: Procedure for divorce. There is some difference of opinion on this (like almost everything else in Islam :) ). I agree with the school of thought that a spouse can give divorce if they give it in three different settings. So, if a husband says "divorce, divorce, divorce" multiple times on one occassion (e.g. in a rage), that counts as one divorce. If they reconcile after that, its fine. If the husband or the wife (if she was given the right to divorce at the time of nikah) give three divorces (at different times) without any reconciliation, then the divorce is final. They can not have conjugal relationships any more. There are specific verses in the Quran (I think Sura Al Nisa) which describe (in extra-ordinary detail) how a muslim man should behave towards his divroced wife in the immediate aftermath of a divorce as well as long term.

There is an altenate school of thought (I think it follows an order of Hazrat Umar (RA) that says if a spouse gives "divorce" three times towards his wife (even) in one sitting, then divorce is final; and they are na-mehram towards each other right from that time. They can not re-marry, except under hilala rules, which is an altogether full but separate discussion topic.

Hope it helps.

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If you give 3 talaks in 1 sitting, talak has taken place, and its not the so called thought of Hazrat Umer r.a, but thats how it was since during the time of Prophet s.a.w. and there is Ijma on that.

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I don't think its as simplistic as that. I could be wrong, of course. To the best of my knowledge, there is no Ijma on that. I can do more research on this if I have time. Or someone else can do that and post the results.

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khanbabax.

Check this link from Sahih Muslim

Also, please read the article on Wikipedia about “triple talaq” as they have summarized various scholars’ position on this topic. You can then go forward and research other sources. I am not saying this is the only answer, but I am saying there is reasonable basis to conclude that there is a “difference of opinion” on this question. You can find plenty of resources online and in print on this issue, which will support both sides of this argument.

Especially note how Imam Ahmad Bin Honbal and Imam Abu Hanifa changed their position that saying talaq three times in one sitting constitues as one talaq. There are links provided to various ahadeeth to support their position, including this one…

Abdullah ibn Abbas reported that the (pronouncement) of three divorces during the lifetime of Allah’s Messenger and that of Abu Bakr and two years of the caliphate of Umar (was treated) as one. But Umar ibn al-Khattab said: Verily the people have begun to hasten in the matter in which they are required to observe respite. So if we had imposed this upon them, [it would have deterred them from doing so!] and he imposed it upon them.

Sahih Muslim 3491

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First of all Wikipedia is not the right place to get your Islamic knowledge from, anyone can put up stuff there and edit it.

Based on the Noble Qur'an and Hadith of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), the four most respected and distinguished scholars, viz. Imaam Shaaf'ee, Imaam Abu Hanifa, Imaam Maalik, Imaam Ahmed bin Hanbal (Rahmatullaahi Alaihim) hold the view that three Talaaqs occur even when they are issued simultaneously.The discussion hereunder elaborates on this question in detail.

Allah says in the Noble Qur'an:
'Divorce is twice'. (Qur'an 2;229)

In Jalaalain Shareef, a widely accepted commentary of the Noble Qur'an, the explanation of the above verse is given as follows:

'The issuing of divorce after which it is correct to revoke - two (divorce)'

'If the husband divorces (his wife) after two divorces then she is not Halaal for him after the third divorce'.(Jalaalain p.34)

Explaining the above verse, Abu Bakr Jassas Razi (Rahmatullaahi Alaihi), an expert in Jurist, states in Ahkaamul Qur'an:

If both Talaaqs are given together, both will be effective and this is clearly indicated in the Qur'an. (Vol. 1 page 387)

'(Upon issuing the third divorce), she (the wife) will not be permissible for him (the husband). There is no difference whether the (divorces) were given in one Tuhr (clean period) or two different Tuhr (clean periods). The ruling will apply with regard to the issuing of all three divorces in which ever way the husband had issued them'.(ibid)

Allama Alusi (Rahmatullaahi Alaihi) states:

(And this ruling) upon which the people of Haq (Truth) today have opposed all of that (three Talaaqs being one). ( Ruhul Maani Vol. 2 p.13)
Hadhrat Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) reports that when Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) heard one person giving his wife three divorces, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) became angry and said:

'You are making a mockery of the verses of Allah and the Deen of Allah. Whosoever gives his wife a terminating divorce, we will make three binding on him. His wife will not be Halaal for him until she does not marry another husband.' (Darul Qutni Vol.4 p.20)

'It is reported from Mahmood Ibn Labid that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was informed of a person who had given his wife three divorces at once. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) stood up in the state of anger and said, 'Are you playing with the Aayats of Allah and His Kitaab whilst I am among you.' A person stood up and said, 'Oh Rasulullah! Should I not kill him?' (Mishkaat Vol2 p.284)

'Ibn Umar (Radhiyallaahu nhu), was asked about a person who gave Talaaq three times. He remarked, 'If he had given her one or two divorces he could have taken her back for which Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) ordered me the same. But if he had given her three Talaaqs then she is Haraam upon him until she marries another man.' (Bukhari Vol2 p.792)

Once Imaam Hassan (Radhiyallaahu nhu) told his wife:
'Go away, for you are divorced thrice'

When he was grieved at the separation of his wife, he said:

'If I had not heard my grandfather (Rasulullah) (or if my father did not tell me that he heard my grandfather) saying, 'Whosoever gives his wife three Talaaqs in the state of Tuhr (cleanliness) or three Talaaqs together, she is not Halaal for him until she does not marry another man, until then he cannot take her back.' (Darul Qutni Vol. 2 p.438)

This incident reiterates the fact that three Talaaqs in one sitting is three and not one. If anyone who was worthy of any exception to the Law, it would be the illustrious grandson of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), Hadhrat Hassan bin Ali (Radhiyallaahu Anhu). However, this was not the case. The rule of three Talaaqs in one sitting was binding on him too.

Imaam Nawawi (Rahmatullaahi Alaihi) writes:

'Imaam Shaaf'ee, Imaam Maalik, Imaam Abu Hanifa, Imaam Ahmad and all the Ulama of the past say that three Talaaqs in one sitting is three.(Muslim vol.1 p.478)

Imaam Maalik (Rahmatullaahi Alaihi) in his Muwatta'a quotes the Fatwa of Ibn Abbas (Radhiyallaahu Anhuma) as follows:

'It has reached me (Maalik) that one person said to Ibn Abbaas, "I divorced my wife a hundred times, what will you rule on me?" Ibn Abbas said, "She is divorced from you with the first three Divorces and for the ninety-seven, you have taken the Aayats of Allah as a mockery."

And the Hadees of Hazrat Umer r.a. is taken out of context, it was not the fatwa of Hazrat Umer r.a. but he was just enforcing the ruling thats in Quran and Sunnah. And whose words are (was treated)?

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Most of what you have posted is commentary from people. Which is fine. As I said, there is a difference of opinion on this topic. I had already pointed you to the fact that Imam Ahmad Bin Honbal and Imam Abu Hanifa did at one time concurred that three talaq’s in one sitting constitutes as three talaqs. But I also pointed you the sahih hadeeth and that Imam Ahmad Bin Honbal and Imam Abu Hanifa, upon reflection had changed their position on this.

Either way you look at it is fine by me. But to suggest that there is any sort of Ijmaa on this, is misleading.

Also, if you interpret three talaq’s in one sitting as three talaq’s and that divorce is final in just one go, then how do you explain 2:228? “Women who are divorced shall wait … and their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire a reconciliation.” You can read the full ayat at http://www.divinelaw.net or any other place with Quranic translations.

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Once Imaam Hassan (Radhiyallaahu nhu) told his wife:
'Go away, for you are divorced thrice'

When he was grieved at the separation of his wife, he said:

'If I had not heard my grandfather (Rasulullah) (or if my father did not tell me that he heard my grandfather) saying, 'Whosoever gives his wife three Talaaqs in the state of Tuhr (cleanliness) or three Talaaqs together, she is not Halaal for him until she does not marry another man, until then he cannot take her back.' (Darul Qutni Vol. 2 p.438)

This is enough, if there were two opinions, Hazrat Hassan r.a would have took the other opinion and call His wife back, he dearly loved his wife but there was no choice left. And all 4 Imams agree on something, thats also Ijma.

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Huh? You don't pick and chose opinions that suit you. Thats quite unacceptable. Far be it for a person of the knowledge and stature of Hazrat Hassan (RA). Those who accept three talaqs in one sitting to constitute a final divorce should believe in that opinion because they are convinced of its accuracy based on the evidence presented in its support. Not because its more or less convenient.

Picking and choosing 'convenient' opinions is the way for many modern day Muslims. :)

Anyway, you never replied to my question about 2:228.

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A. The procedure prescribed by the Qur’an is following:
a. Appoint mediators from both sides for reproachment.
b. If the mediation fails, the man should pronounce Talaq (once) in clean days of the wife. Talaq should not be given during the days of her period.
c. He should not force her out of the house after the Talaq but care for her, should not tease or harass her and afford her maintenance till the completion of her three normal periods (and in the case of missed periods, for three months and ten days). This is called ‘Iddat’, (waiting period) of Talaq. (The Iddat of a pregnant woman lasts till the baby is delivered).
d. During the waiting period, they should refrain from sex but if they have sex or decide for a reproachment, they can do so and they are again husband and wife. This is called Rujat.
e. If there no “Rujatie reproachment during the waiting period, then the Talaq is enforced. The woman can no longer live with him and the man should see her off in a decent manner with appropriate gifts.
f. A Hadith reported in Abu Dawood insposes the condition of Talaq and Rujat to be made in the presence of (at least two) witnesses.
g. Abud Dawood also reports Hadith which states that there is no Talaq in the state of wrath the fiq’h scholars decree otherwise on the basis of other narrations in the books of Hadith.

taken from islamicvoice.com

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Thank you!

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http://ittehad.org/
You can listen to first munazra, its about this topic.