Yes, it has been discussed about religion so many times. this time lets discuss the problems with godless society.
Might is right is the biggest problem that people will be facing, I guess.
Any other?
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Peace ajazali,
Avoiding commitment or responsibilities, i guess.
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Might is right is wrong, unless said might is my god, because might is right.. Err.. I mean my god is right.
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Because no god fearing population ever thought might is right? You must have come from another planet
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cant think of any problems that could arise from this beautiful event. 
one less dogma to be divided over.
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Told you so you could not help but bring religion in. anyway that means you think there is no solution for that problem in godless society either, right?.
it is related to justice. A true religion never suggests its followers do injustice to followers of other religions.
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Again bringing in religion. Religion urges upon doing justice to people. In fact its mandatory for rulers. But there is no such motivation in godless society, not to speak of following this ethic.
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I don’t think religion or lack of religion would make any difference.
If you make a society, you need to set up laws and regulations for stability.
If people come up with those laws with consensus and more importantly, those laws are APPLIED TO ALL members of the society, the society can thrive.
Problems, like might is right, arise only when the laws and regulations are applied selectively. It doesn’t really matter if those laws were derived from religion or not.
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Well, problem is laws are evolved as powerful people of society want. Laws are define and implemented in a way that even if they are applied to all, powerful will still control things as they wish. Consider how law of lobby-ism is evolved. If laws are good and natural, powerful would not have to invest money for favor. Powerful become more power then right is what powerful has paid for. Powerless have nothing to with this law. It is for powerful as they use it to exert their power to get more power.
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Depends on how you define “injustice”. There was a thread where OP set forth the following conditions,
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-philosophy/635865-requirements-for-fight.html
- Muslims attain military prowess (power)
- Muslims venture to non-muslim countries and give them three conditions, to come to islam/pay jizya or fight
You responded positively to OP’s suggestions.
Have you now changed your stance on the matter, and think everyone should be allowed to believe in whatever they like, without being given any conditions to fight or be subjected to paying jizya, or do you still feel OP had a valid point back then? Do you still feel its permissible for muslims to impose their religion on others?
How were OP’s suggestions any different than America imposing “democracy” on Iraq?
To answer your question. Of course all problems can exist in all societies. Man doesn’t need to be godfearing or godless to commit atrocities.
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Not going to get cajoled into a lengthy discussion, but you don’t need any other motivation to create good societies beside it benefiting yourself and your loved ones too. What happens in the after life, there is no empirical proof of. What we do have empirical proof of, is the world we are living in now.
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Power for Islam does not mean forceful conversion. Its actually about how you make people think about Islam. See what is media doing, making people think religion is a horrible thing.
Oh, kind of like in KSA, right?
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Some time I wished British had given us these option.
1-Become white !!
2-or pay little extra tax and go on with you lives.
3-if rebel then fight.
Or fore father had given this option to natives.
1-Become one of us.
2-pay some meat and fish and go one with your lives.
3-if rebel fight.
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After the Rashidun Khalifates, most of Muslim history under later Khalifahs is one of might is right.
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heard this song at the end of movie The killing Fields
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OP in that thread is quite clear on what he means by power. Even I, with my less than adequate command of the English language, can comprehend what message OP is trying to convey. And you did endorse his views. If you are of opinion that OP was wrong in that thread, then we agree.
I also agree that muslims need to work on how to present Islam in a positive light. Which includes not only opposing non-muslim bigots, but also opposing muslim bigots, who present Islam in a negative light.
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All three options are wrong, because they are examples of coercion (might is right). Which is what Ajaz saab is opposing. But in that other thread he was endorsing it, as long it was being used in favor of his religion. Seems inconsistent to me.
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Same is true for a society based on laws from God. The people who interpret those laws are the powerful ones, in that case.
Unless, God Himself came down and ensured proper interpretation and implementation of His laws, we would keep running into greedy people with power.
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You are confusing interpretation of law with making of a law. Most of the laws in Islam are for Muslims themselves and interpretation is applied to themselves. Even a sunni does not force shia to offer prayer sunni way.
Interest is Haram, is a ruling. No powerful religious can change it with whatever interpretation he may come up with.