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^^ oye chingari na bhaRkao
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Look at the apologetic musharraf supporters. I feel bad for them already. Having to burn midnight oil coming up with excuses. Tch Tch. Aray bhai atleast wait for the verdict..might well turn out in ur favor..then u'll have to make another somersault.
No patriotic Pakistani has to wait for the verdict. CJ is a corrupt peon and that's that. Now, you can stay up all night popping antacids but I wouldn't blame you.
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Lets wait for the verdict. I am saving up for ladoo's. Anyone interested?
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Lets wait for the verdict. I am saving up for ladoo's. Anyone interested?
As a moderator, you should:
- keep discussions focused.
- don't derial threads.
- not attack poster personally.
You should be fired from your position.
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Busharraf came in power with aim of eliminating corruption. Now that died the moment he chose to head people like Chaudry Shujat Hussain, Sheikh Rasheed, Aftab Sherpao, Faisal Saleh Hayat and many others who are known, commisioned corrupts of our country. Busharraf has no moral grounds to persue case against CJ.
Now for a moment we assume that the case against CJ is as they say and he is corrupt and abused powers and protocal, then why he was offered to resign first on 9 March in return of compensation. If a person is corrupt so he is, why do they wanted him to go and do something else ? ?
Plus I dont understand how he is able to pull such a large nation wide support, unlike Busharraf who most of the times have to use rent-a-crowd.
I think it's time we realize that our future lies only in democratic goverments and not with generals. We will have to say good bye to military rule in our country sooner or later.
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If the verdict goes against Mush, and he accepts it peacefully-those calling him a blood thirsty dictator will be left looking silly. Not many dictators get dictated to by courts.
I agree, and then we can all unite to defeat extremism and terrorism that is presently plaguing NWFP and Islamabad.
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Who told you that President Musharraf came to power to eliminate corruption? I never came across this statement from President or anyone. Actually, many times President made statement that he was pushed into power. What I know (and most Pakistanis know) is that when coup happened (one 12 Oct 1999) and Musharraf landed in Pakistan with power waiting for him, he did not took it rather tried to negotiate with Nawaz. This was the reason that even though PTV (at that time, the only TV channel in Pakistan) was under military control, it went silent and stayed silent, because Musharraf was reluctant to take over, but Nawaz was not ready to reverse his decision of sacking Army chief (him), and that resulted in Musharraf getting fed up with Nawaz stubbornness, and decided to take over power himself. Even at that time he was reluctant to take the post of President that he should have taken if he wanted to impose martial law.
Nevertheless, after he took over power (that is nothing to do with why he took over power), as chief executive, he declared what he would like to do for Pakistan, and one of them was to eradicate corruption.
So, please write something that is true and not imagination or propaganda. Imagination and propaganda belongs to politicians and Mullahs, and are mostly taught in corrupt political families or Madrassa for retards :). I hope that you are not from corrupt political families or from Madrassa retards. Are you?
Read Transparency report, not one that corrupts and their paid goons have twisted and misquote, but real reports from TI. Unfortunately past corrupts have bought most media (National as well as international) to spread lies about present government corruption, reality is much different. They misquoted TI figures to level that TI felt ashamed and obliged to come up with clarification. As for so-called Ulema of MMA, they are so illiterates and mentally retarded, that most do not know the meaning of corruption. Here is Transparency clarification:
http://www.transparency.org.pk/media/NCPS/Clarification%20NCPS.JPG
From above, 3 percent Pakistanis consider that President Musharraf government is corrupt, compared to 91 percent of Pakistanis that consider that Nawaz and BB governments were most corrupt.
Why? You mean NS and BB, who are biggest financial corrupts have moral grounds? Or Fazlu and Qazi who are big mental corrupts have any grounds? Or Imran who is biggest moral corrupt has grounds?
Nevertheless, to pursue case of corruption, it only needs will of initiator (literally anyone) and cooperation of the persons in power (Government). Any Pakistani could have pursued the case as long as there was valid reason.
Good and valid question, no doubt 
But there is some naivety in the question. You should realize that lot of allegations came against CJ. Government was ignoring all allegations and was letting CJ stay in office. Time came when many in media, even on this forum, started accusing government that they have corrupt CJ and since CJ is Musharraf man, nothing is happening to him. Nevertheless, government probably thought that however undesirable, once action is taken against CJ on such accusations, integrity of CJ office would get stained, thus probably they thought to replace CJ quietly, hoping that after change of CJ, accusation would subside.
I believe that is what government tried. Told CJ about allegations and to help him make his decision, offered him suitable position too. I think that it was the best and most soft way to act against CJ, so that CJ and office of CJ does not get stained.
Unfortunately CJ thought that he would contest allegations, so government sent reference to supreme judicial council (SJC) against CJ for enquiry of those allegations. For that, CJ was suspended so that he could not influence the enquiry. Further, government declared that whatever the recommendation of enquiry, government would accept that. I think that it was most noble act of the government to put their complete trust on judges (members of SJC).
After reference, it seems that instead of clearing CJ, his lawyers are trying to get reference withdrawn. It is sad as they should try to clear allegations in reference (if CJ is innocent), but it seems CJ is guilty of allegations, and thus his lawyers are not trying to clear him but want that reference should be withdrawn.
Are you kidding? If you do not support President, you think that most Pakistanis do not support him too? ;).
Pakistan population is 160 millions, and what support you see for CJ is negligible with respect to such huge population. This becomes more true when one realizes that support that CJ is getting, most of it is due to combined support of opposition (that are doing it for political mileage rather their sympathy to CJ), though corrupts, especially corrupt lawyers are also with CJ, scared that crackdown on corruption in judiciary could cost them a lot.
Sometime I feel that when combined opposition along with corrupts are coming out in support of CJ, this puny support is so pathetic that PML (Q) must be laughing in secret, expecting to sweep the poll in next election.
As for support for President, that is so empathic that when he openly give speech in favour of PML(Q), most parties in opposition does not like that and protest. Why? If President was such an unpopular person, opposition would have been happy that President Musharraf openly supporting PML (Q). As support of unpopular person in power cost votes to the party that person supports and favours parties that person opposes. So, uneasy of opposition parties on PML(Q) support by President gives clear signs that parties in opposition realises that President Musharraf is hugely popular.
Well, I feel that at present there is more democracy in Pakistan than Pakistan ever had. Democracy is set of mind and it is nothing to do with uniform. Democracy means rule for people and that can be brought by any person with that set of mind.
As for most Pakistani politicians, NS, BB, Fazlu, Qazi, or Imran, including those in governments, their mental set is more dictatorship than democracy. These are dictators in democratic dressing.
Sure one day, InshaAllah. But that day would not be because Bibi dictator, Baba dictator, husband dictator, Playboy dictator, Maulana dictator, Qazi dictator, or XYZ dictator wants to rule Pakistan using democracy. That day would be day when politicians would become stronger and more powerful in the country than generals, not due to them having post of prime minister (in sham democracy), but because people of Pakistan wholly support them, respect them, and stand behind them politicians. It would be that day when no general would dare to challenge such honest, trustworthy, and popular politicians. Let hope that such day comes. Meanwhile, what we have is the best
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Who told you that President Musharraf came to power to eliminate corruption? I never came across this statement from President or anyone.
You sure about that?
'selective' memory form Mush/MQM supporters, as usual
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Re: Problems ahead for Busharraf & Co.
- keep discussions focused.
- don't derial threads.
- not attack poster personally.
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such typical hypocrisy from yourself
Stop whining and show some respect to Flame, and other mods who keep this site running
Mods- you should have banned this kid long ago
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Yes I am sure about that. I have good memory 
Nevertheless, your post is typical of people who comment on post, without reading or understanding the post 
. Brother, won’t it be nice that before commenting, you read the post and understand that too? 
It seems you were quick in making comments though you did not read the post :). I did not write that ‘Musharraf never said that (or never promised that) he would eliminate corruption’.
I wrote that, ‘Musharraf did not come to power to eradicate corruption’. Neither, he ever said that he came to power to eradicate corruption. Actually, he always denied that he wanted to take power :).
Though, I did write that Musharraf said that (or promised) that he would eradicate corruption after he took over power. Here it is:
You should know that … ‘coming to power promising something’ and ‘promising something after coming to power’, they are two different things. One is ‘reason for coming to power’, and another is ‘commitment after coming to power’.
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such typical hypocrisy from yourself
Stop whining and show some respect to Flame, and other mods who keep this site running
Mods- you should have banned this kid long ago
Mind your own business and move on!
Someone with your integrity should not speak in front of adults! FOL is a biased moderator who does not deserve MY respect. Shove your bakwaas!
And speak when you are spoken to!