Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

[Reha]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

It is interesting that not a single desi male attacked me, it's all frustrated unmarried ABCD girls who are venting their anger against males who marry girls from Pakistan, by attacking my viewpoints supporting those males. You would never see males attacking each other like that for a view point because we have mutual respect for each other. Also it is interesting that no single male here agrees that he or his family moved to USA to become Americans. I understand that you are angry at males marrying Pakistani girls based in Pakistan, but when you show your true cranky self, you are merely confirming that stereotypes that no matter how much Pakistani values your partents have taught you, you are still very different from an average Pakistani girl from Pakistan

I think the problem is the image you seem to think holds true of Pakistani families living abroad. You constantly assume that people here lack something or are missing something when its never the case. I dont know ANY families that go to Pakistan after achieving a level of success here. No one is any rush to leave this place and its because this is home to them now.

Also, what makes you think anyone from here wants to be an average Pakistani girl from Pakistan? I would never trade places with anyone else - Pakistani or not - because my life here is Alhumdulillah great. What exactly am I missing? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I would never want to be anyone else...I think most people hate it when men assume Pakistani families here have no morals and values. It makes me want to believe all the rumors about Pakistanis in Pakistan having no sharam or haya anymore. But I dont. I know there is good and bad everywhere.

[Sara516]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad…

@Omer259

It is interesting that not a single desi male attacked me, it’s all frustrated unmarried ABCD girls who are venting their anger against males who marry girls from Pakistan, by attacking my viewpoints supporting those males. You would never see males attacking each other like that for a view point because we have mutual respect for each other. Also it is interesting that no single male here agrees that he or his family moved to USA to become Americans. I understand that you are angry at males marrying Pakistani girls based in Pakistan, but when you show your true cranky self, you are merely confirming that stereotypes that no matter how much Pakistani values your partents have taught you, you are still very different from an average Pakistani girl from Pakista

Its funny how instead of making a strong constructive argument you resort to attacking the personal lives of the psoters you vehemently disagreed with–which by the way you are totally off the mark.

Liddul boy got offended how cute

[fat_spartan]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

Well, I'm not saying that an American can't be a Muslim, but being born and raised in America it's unfair for Pakistani parents to expect their children to follow their religion.

Why? I've seen kids born and raised in the west practicing more than what I've seen from a lot of people who've been in Pakistan their whole lives. I agree that in the west there may be some challenges to this that aren't there in Pakistan, but I've also seen people who grew up here practicing more than their parents.

[X2]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

It is interesting that not a single desi male attacked me, it's all frustrated unmarried ABCD girls who are venting their anger against males who marry girls from Pakistan, by attacking my viewpoints supporting those males. You would never see males attacking each other like that for a view point because we have mutual respect for each other. Also it is interesting that no single male here agrees that he or his family moved to USA to become Americans. I understand that you are angry at males marrying Pakistani girls based in Pakistan, but when you show your true cranky self, you are merely confirming that stereotypes that no matter how much Pakistani values your partents have taught you, you are still very different from an average Pakistani girl from Pakistan

actually while I did not attack you, i did write opposing your views in this thread and I am a dude.

and I moved to US because I want to be an american, I prefer the lifestyle here over anywhere else, and the people here over people anywhere else. I had a choice to not move here and to not live here, I did not have anything to run away from and neither was my family struggling financially, socially or any way. I have more american friends than pakistani or americans of Pakistani origin. I see Pakistan as my cultural roots which will become less and less important or relevant over time, just like while many people in Pakistan claim to be arab descendants, they dont eat arab food, listen to arab music, speak arabic etc. That is okay by me, what is important to me may not be important 3 generations down.

as far as your point about guys marrying girls from Pak, the opposite also happens with girls importing guys from Pakistan. I think the reasons and mindset is what matters, there are many reasons

it can happen due t family pressures, because it is more prevalent in certain communities and seen as the default option, whether it is to get other members of the family immigration, keep wealth within family etc, we have seen 'honor killings' in the jahil segments of UK Pakistani segment just for this.

it can happen due to lesser availability- pakistanis in general make their own lives tough. the more specific you go, sunni, ahle hadees, punjabi, arain, i mean you go for subsets of subsets and the available candidates are fewer, and not having infinite time in the world sometimes people do go to the place with higher population so higher probability you will find someone.

it happens because some people want to go above what they will be able to pull here in terms of looks and background so they go looking in Pakistan, the dudes may not be able to compete with dudes better looking, better educated, better earning, better connected here, but when they go to Pak they have the upper hand.

lastly as you noted are the considerations where people say that they go there because the locals here are too westernized or too this or that. in some cases its true, and in some cases it may be a cover for not being able to compete here against other dudes.

one side note..many of the girls coming from pakistan are not for guys who were born and raised here, I am seeing much less of tha, but guys who grew up in Pakistan and moved here for masters etc, in which case they are definitely more compatible with someone from pakistan because they have less in common with someone who grew up here, not just for marriage but even socially.

[_RestLess]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

Listen to X2, he is an authentic Pir .. he doesnt know it himself.

[X2]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

Listen to X2, he is an authentic Pir .. he doesnt know it himself.

I am 100% authentic jaali pir

[_RestLess]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

You are not Jaali Pir, you are already "there" go inside your heart .. Pir Ji.

My wisdom is rather limited but I can tell you this, clarity of intuition is a very strong sign of Pirhood. You are already speaking the language of soul.

[Sara516]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

actually while I did not attack you, i did write opposing your views in this thread and I am a dude.

and I moved to US because I want to be an american, I prefer the lifestyle here over anywhere else, and the people here over people anywhere else. I had a choice to not move here and to not live here, I did not have anything to run away from and neither was my family struggling financially, socially or any way. I have more american friends than pakistani or americans of Pakistani origin. I see Pakistan as my cultural roots which will become less and less important or relevant over time, just like while many people in Pakistan claim to be arab descendants, they dont eat arab food, listen to arab music, speak arabic etc. That is okay by me, what is important to me may not be important 3 generations down.

as far as your point about guys marrying girls from Pak, the opposite also happens with girls importing guys from Pakistan. I think the reasons and mindset is what matters, there are many reasons

it can happen due t family pressures, because it is more prevalent in certain communities and seen as the default option, whether it is to get other members of the family immigration, keep wealth within family etc, we have seen 'honor killings' in the jahil segments of UK Pakistani segment just for this.

it can happen due to lesser availability- pakistanis in general make their own lives tough. the more specific you go, sunni, ahle hadees, punjabi, arain, i mean you go for subsets of subsets and the available candidates are fewer, and not having infinite time in the world sometimes people do go to the place with higher population so higher probability you will find someone.

it happens because some people want to go above what they will be able to pull here in terms of looks and background so they go looking in Pakistan, the dudes may not be able to compete with dudes better looking, better educated, better earning, better connected here, but when they go to Pak they have the upper hand.

lastly as you noted are the considerations where people say that they go there because the locals here are too westernized or too this or that. in some cases its true, and in some cases it may be a cover for not being able to compete here against other dudes.

one side note..many of the girls coming from pakistan are not for guys who were born and raised here, I am seeing much less of tha, but guys who grew up in Pakistan and moved here for masters etc, in which case they are definitely more compatible with someone from pakistan because they have less in common with someone who grew up here, not just for marriage but even socially.

X2 ure just a frustrated desi girl posing as a dude. :)

[X2]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

khi khi khi khi khi bites dupatta
chal hatt

[Dil_Pakistan]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

If I am born here, raised here, live here, work here, pay taxes here, etc...this is my home. Why should this not be my nationality and identity?

Pakistanis themselves are not even originally Pakistanis...they were all Indians or something else. They became Pakistani through migration and birth...........how is this any different?

Why the hypocrisy all the time?

This is called being biting the hand that feeds you.

No Reha, this is not called biting the hand that feeds you. It's called you should read before you comment.

You mentioned the people who imigrated to America and enjoy all american facilities and yet do not want to be americans. Why should they? They were not born there. Yes they are living there now, lekin muft meiN tau nahiN reh rahay.

And then you called it jiss thaali meiN khana ussi meiN cheyd karna, which does not apply in this case. Please enlighten me if it does.

Further, No where did i say that you, an american born pakistani, should not consider herself American. Wrong assumptions na banaya karaiN. Nobody is stopping you from being american, but dont call others traitors or whatever if they do not see themselves as Americans (even if they are born in America). How somebody identifies himself/herself is up to that person. It is not even an issue, you people are making it one.

[X2]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

^ agreed, but those people should then stay living here as green card immigrants and not become citizens :)

[Dil_Pakistan]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad…

Hand them over to the government. Shayad Super Citizin ka inaam mil jaye aapko :halo:

[X2]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

nyah they catch enough ilegal desis anyways, that now due to high supply there is no inaaam.

The point is that with citizenship rights come citizenship responsibilities, and if they dont feel american then they should not become citizens, they can still be here legally and work and pay taxes and all the good stuff you noted. so they can live here, because yes muf mein naheen reh rahay, but unless they feel american, why become a citizen?

[Niksik]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad…

@X2

nyah they catch enough ilegal desis anyways, that now due to high supply there is no inaaam.

The point is that with citizenship rights come citizenship responsibilities, and if they dont feel american then they should not become citizens, they can still be here legally and work and pay taxes and all the good stuff you noted. so they can live here, because yes muf mein naheen reh rahay, but unless they feel american, why become a citizen?

Because as much as people deny it, they love flaunting their blue passports when standing in immigrations lines on Karachi airport !

[rizla86]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

My parents love this country. They spent their lives here, raised their kids here, educated them here, etc etc etc. They do love this place and what it has given them.

But would they have moved had they gotten the same opportunities in Pakistan? Sure they love the country now, but the initial process of moving out is usually because of better opportunities and not out of the love of becoming American. Seriously don't understand why no one in this thread is able to comprehend this.

[Niksik]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad…

^^ Well that is true of course. It’s not like they had an affair with America or something before marrying it. You get married first, then fall in love…the good ol’ desi way

[Sara516]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad...

Nobody is stopping you from being american, but dont call others traitors or whatever if they do not see themselves as Americans (even if they are born in America).

Well then Pakistani-Pakistanis should quit calling us the same thing for considering America our first home.

[Marmalade]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad…

@Omer259

I am the one to launch ad-hominem attacks?. Did you not read the whole thread. I have not launched a single personal attack on anyone until now. I have been called narrow minded, like a FOB girl who visited one of the poster’s house and all sorts of nonsense. I am just expressing my view, it doesn’t mean that you have to attack me personally.

It is interesting that not a single desi male attacked me, it’s all frustrated unmarried ABCD girls who are venting their anger against males who marry girls from Pakistan, by attacking my viewpoints supporting those males. You would never see males attacking each other like that for a view point because we have mutual respect for each other. Also it is interesting that no single male here agrees that he or his family moved to USA to become Americans. I understand that you are angry at males marrying Pakistani girls based in Pakistan, but when you show your true cranky self, you are merely confirming that stereotypes that no matter how much Pakistani values your partents have taught you, you are still very different from an average Pakistani girl from Pakistan

I’m not old enough to get married or consider getting married. I’m certainly not old enough to be some frustrated ABCD fretting about living life as a spinster.

That being said, I’m not that bothered about men marrying girls from back home. It’s their preference. When have I made fun of or insulted girls from Pakistan? The only thing that really bothers me is when men who marry girls from back home have the reasoning that girls here are slutty.

It doesn’t matter to me if I’m not like ‘an average Pakistani girl from Pakistan’. As long as my parents are proud of me, as long as I’ve strived to maintain the values they’ve given me, as long as they are content with the decisions I’ve taken and the life I’ve lead, as long as I’ve sticked to my principles and my sense of right and wrong, I see no problem in not being like ‘an average Pakistani girl from Pakistan’.

[Reha]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad…

@rizla86

But would they have moved had they gotten the same opportunities in Pakistan? Sure they love the country now, but the initial process of moving out is usually because of better opportunities and not out of the love of becoming American. Seriously don’t understand why no one in this thread is able to comprehend this.

They left Pakistan to go and live in the Land of Opportunity…didnt they? They had a dream and they knew America could make it happen for them so they left in pursuit of a better life for their families and themselves. Yes, it was America’s opportunities that made people fall in love with the possibility of a better future and leave Pakistan.

If it was just about the opportunity alone though, no one would want to stay here for the long run and certainly not give up Pakistani citizenship over it.

This is just me thinking out loud now…

Pakistan itself was created as a land of opportunity, wasnt it? Who on earth is originally Pakistani? There is no such thing. Even now, people will ask you where is your family from in India or before Pakistan!

So, its okay for people to love Pakistan because they migrated there, had their children there, live there, die there, etc.

But its wrong for others to have the same love for America?

Why?

Because Amreeka is land of the kuffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar. Those damn gora log…all they want is to kill us Musalman.

[Sara516]

Re: Problem with Paki parents moving abroad…

@Omer259

when you show your true cranky self, you are merely confirming that stereotypes that no matter how much Pakistani values your partents have taught you, you are still very different from an average Pakistani girl from Pakistan

Im sorry, so should we all go commit suicide? I mean you’re saying it like it’s an insult.

and just because no guys in this thread have said anything doesn’t mean that all men will automatically agree with you. Just ask anybody who has a daughter or a sister that they respect.

Should all baby girls in America be killed at birth? because no matter what “values” they’re taught as Pakistanis, they’ll never compare to that ever-elusive “average” Pakistani girl in another country?

PS, nobody is cranky, we’re just not open to taking crap from guys like you.