I saw this article by a talented Pakistani yank by the name of Ali Eteraz and I thought I’d share this with you guys and see what’s your take on it.
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Another popular trend among second-generation Pakistanis in the West is the denouncing of Partition as a mistake. These people live in a fantasy world where 60 years of conflict with another state can be overcome in a singular moment of sublimation. What's illuminating is that Bangladeshis never talk about re-joining India or West Pakistan in such a manner. Obviously, Partition was a mistake – it killed millions of people – but the solution to a mistake is to reconcile with it, not to try and wish it away.
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Nice Article...
No. of reason of this attitude
1. All those** Identity-Less US-UK-Pako blend** after Diaspora acted totally against what other nations did in that scenario. Indians ,Bangladeshis,Arabs even Jews associate them to Israel; and thier respective countries with pride but these Country-Less **after dis-accosiating from it made them something **Adha Teetar Adha Batair.Author rightly mentioned Palestini taking pride of thier country despite that it not exist but these Country-Less blend feels its a pride in cutting this connections.
2.Generally , living standard after Dispora significantly raised in terms of economics so sense of Pride of being a step high to thier fellow countrymen economically is depicetd in it which is somewhwre wriiten in another thread " Daisy Bandari tai Walaity Cheeka" means they used to ride 24 no. van while standing now dont talk less than Benz or Porsche.Similar attitude of women even in this forum is seen that these Naudaultiya used to fight with shopkeeper on 2 2 3 3 Rs . in streets of Pakistan and used to be** Kanglai here now talk about ** Fasion Galleries of top Models and Designers and like they used to wear it pre-born for 9 months or talk about Cafe and Cuisines and they used to eat **Alooo Shora **3 days in a week
3. British Raj of 200 years mentally captivated the brains and everlasting image of *"Slavery' **still splash from these people menatality.They consider themselves Inferior to Whites of UK and US. So , such act of Slavery is easily be seen in thier matters, dealings or even at personal level. Associating with thier native country strike a big hammer on this Image of Slavery which they have woven around thier socio-politico circle.They think that pre 47 , **British were thier Masters and still now Uncle Tom and Queen of Britania are . So in Slavery , they dis-associate from a seperate , sovereign or by large an independent country
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- This resaon is obvious from the mixing cultural phenomenon abroad with south indians whrer they ask questions like why we seperated , we can live happily, few politicians did it , this and that blah blah. Most of them have not even study the history and even not have a grip of all the scenario of Indian Muslims , thier lives , hardships and what the price all muslims have to pay if we were not seperated in 47.
5. Author correctly indicated the nationalistic attitude of Bangladeshis that they never think about 47 seperation.This again the concept of Slavery which Iqbal described in his writtings that when you live under someone rule either in US/UK or West , your mental approach ultimately turn into Slavery and Captivity just like we see what happened to Moses when his nation refused to leave Egypt despite of Phroahs hardships.
**6. **Major factor is Fear .Check Pakistan intellectual brain Syed Muwahid Shah new book where he thoroughly described how masses and educated lots specially Doctors particularly in US are living in Miserably Pathetic way .Recent example is of Gaza issue where they refused to even condemn it on thier site even by one or two lines.
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And yes , 9/11 played a leading role in it. After that ,even US born Pakistani became Irrelevant or Stranger in the place where they were once born. Feel of shame, sense of insecurity , lack of moral grounds, deprive of social rights , guilty , shameful like all 19 hijackers were thier relatives beacuse of Islam. Then FBI throwing hundreds behind the bars, racial attacks even on Sikhs besides with them, checkings, investigations, insulting behaviour at check points of airports etc etc.9/11 was a turning point for them .After that some came back to thier Real Identity while some became even more Americans bu ommiting Ahmed or Osama as thier part of name , even dont talk about Jihaad , Bush or Iraq , Afghanistan while talking on phones as all phones used to tape for 5 to 6 years after that incident by specuial powers which Senate gave to President to do so.
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**Pakistani-born confused Brit ? **
—Miranda Husain
What I have found disturbing is that many here feel inferior if they have not been abroad to study. While I have been happy to observe second-generation Pakistanis in Britain taking pride in their heritage, I am saddened to see educated Pakistanis here define themselves in terms of having or not having lived in the West
British-born confused desi (BBCD) is a term I’ve often come to hear. I usually hear it from my Pakistani relatives and friends who teasingly distinguish between Pakistanis born and brought up in Britain and the ‘bona fide Pakistanis’ who were born and brought up here.
Most of my friends when I was growing up happened to be British. It was not a decision on my part. There were many Pakistani pupils at my school, but they preferred to stick together and did not consider me enough of the real McCoy to talk to. This is one of the regrets I have when I look back on my childhood. However, this was counterbalanced by the fact that we used to come to Pakistan every year to spend time with the family.
It was only when I left for university that I began to mix freely with students of all nationalities. After so many years at a British public school, it was a most liberating experience. The best thing was that no one really bothered to try and categorise others. I was just the person with a questionable taste in glittery nail varnish who happened to be half English and half Pakistani.
I went on to live in and travel to several countries in Europe and Asia. I enjoyed being a real foreigner, which I only felt when I was neither in England nor in Pakistan. However, as time passed, I began to realise that I should, perhaps, take the plunge and make a base for myself in Pakistan. The decision came not from wanting to discover my cultural roots as such — I simply felt that having lived in the country of my mother, perhaps the time had now come to live in my father’s homeland. Besides, the adventures of a Pakistani-born confused Brit would make a good story to tell my friends.
Many of my Western friends voiced concern over me going to live in a country they believed to be inherently hostile to liberalism in general and women in particular. I tried to reassure them that there was more to the country than what was portrayed in the Western press. Many women in my family hold down full-time jobs whilst juggling the demands of family life. When put in such general terms, it seems not that different from the challenges faced by many British women.
But the real surprise came from many of my well-meaning Pakistani relatives, who were convinced that I would not be able to ‘adjust’ to a Muslim society, since I had the misfortune of growing up in the decadent West. This, for me was the clincher. Being a stubborn person who refuses to be told what she is not capable of, I resolved there and then that I would make the move to Pakistan.
While observing those around me, my only points of reference were my own family here and the Pakistani community that I observed from afar in the UK.
In Britain, many Pakistanis face conflicts over their identity. The immigrant community, for the most part, stayed on the sidelines of mainstream British society, as they concentrated on building a life for themselves and their children. But the second generation has managed to integrate, striking a balance between being proud of their cultural heritage and actively participating in British society. Long gone are the days when the typical stereotype of the Pakistani was that of one who could achieve no more than running the local corner shop. However, second-generation Pakistani-Brits also face challenges to their identity. Some try so hard to integrate, that they often end up appearing to be ‘more English than the English’. Others are at pains to publicly distance themselves from fundamentalist notions and terrorist groups ‘hijacking’ Islam.
I have found it interesting to note that Pakistan’s modern generation is also fighting the demons of self-identity. I, perhaps wrongly, believed that here, in a Muslim state, people would have a stronger sense of self-confidence than the diaspora. Yet, I have observed, in certain circles, that many try to emulate the West, or some notion of what it is to be Western. Just as in the West, people may automatically declare a woman oppressed because she chooses to wear the hijab or the burqa, many here often project their outward ‘liberalism’ by wearing Western clothes. I laugh when I think of how I was advised by certain people to dress ‘decently’ since I was now living in a Muslim country.
What I have found disturbing is that many here feel inferior if they have not gone abroad, and by that I mean the UK or the US, to study. They perhaps feel ashamed that having remained in Pakistan to study somehow renders them ‘limited liberals’. While I have been happy to observe second-generation Pakistanis in Britain taking pride in their heritage, I am saddened to see educated Pakistanis here define themselves in terms of having or not having lived in the West. (Perhaps I can now be rightly accused of imposing my ideas of identity upon others, the very thing I claim to disdain.) There is nothing wrong in wanting to go and see the world. In fact, it is the best form of education and enlightenment. But it should be done with a view to building on one’s character and experiences, not to simply negate what one has been.
So spending my second Independence Day here, I am happy to reflect that I have come to understand a little better some aspects of contemporary Pakistani society. I am also happy to admit that I have got much wrong and need to unlearn many of my preconceptions. That makes the journey to self-discovery all the more interesting.
The writer is a staff member
2Similar attitude of women even in this forum is seen that these Naudaultiya used to fight with shopkeeper on 2 2 3 3 Rs . in streets of Pakistan and used to be** Kanglai here now talk about ** Fasion Galleries of top Models and Designers and like they used to wear it pre-born for 9 months or talk about Cafe and Cuisines and they used to eat **Alooo Shora **3 days in a week
so who are the women on GS who are naudaulatya that you are referring to? :)
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All those who dis-connect themselves from thier roots and identity
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who?
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btw dinn pakistanis disconnect themselves from their identity, cuz arent they all arab, turk, persian and afghan?
shame on them for becoming do indian, wearing saaris and kurta pajamas and shalwars and lungis..
wanna-be kaheen kay
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1000 years and 5 or 6 years comparison 
We all are born here our forefathers for centuries born here
Those identity-less are born and have spent thier life in Daisi Pind Sher Gali Mohallah Kholi but now uttering Walaiti Cheeka
so at some point in time it is logical that the connections are completely severed, I really dont know many pakistanis who speak arabic or turkish or farsi. so if in centuries connections can be completely severed then it makes compleet sense that in a course of decades and a generation or two the conenction is weakened.
5-6 years comparison? second and third generations dont get created in humans in 6 years
if your issue is more with the people who moved from Pakistan and pretend to be somethign else, yeah then i suppose its bad habits and upbrining that they had in Pakistan that led to it :halo:
anyways Pakistanis should worry less about expats and focus more on their homecountry for a change, I mean all ths talk to loyalty and patriotism does no good if its zabani jama kharch.
lets talk when atleast a quarter of the Pakistanis bother to pay income taxes.
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desert bird paai wot are u doing in a desert? wot happened to " tu shaheen hai basera kar paharon ki chattanon par"... me thinks swat is ideal for that