President Musharraf's mental state: confident/sulking in bunker? (threads merged)

I hope after being defeated badly that he will leave pecaefully and for once put Pakistan first instead of Kursi.

Clouds gather as ‘sulky’ Musharraf retreats to bunker

Despite US support, president is isolated in battle for power

Pervez Musharraf’s allies received a drubbing in Monday’s elections. Now he faces the prospect of being impeached as president if his rivals can cobble together a two-thirds majority in parliament

In some ways life has changed little for Pakistan’s president, Pervez Musharraf, since Monday’s election. The retired general still trots out for afternoon tennis, aides say, and enjoys a game of bridge a few times a week. In the evenings he pulls on a cigar and, although he can’t admit it, nurses a glass of whisky.
Visitors still call to see him at Army House, the marble-floored Rawalpindi residence of Pakistan’s military chiefs, even though he retired three months ago. “It has been renamed Presidential Lodge,” said spokesman Rashid Qureshi. “The normal routine is functioning.”
But outside clouds are gathering. The spectacular rout of his Pakistan Muslim League (Q) party at the polls has shorn the retired commando of his political base, leaving him isolated and exposed.
“He’s been sulking,” said a senior party official. “He’s retreated into a mental bunker, which is not healthy. He thinks everyone is out to get him and only listens to a small circle. It’s a dangerous mindset to be in at this point in time. He could decide to hit back.”
Musharraf’s bad mood stems from the prospect of Nawaz Sharif, the rotund prime minister from Punjab he ousted in a 1999 coup and banished to Saudi Arabia a year later, returning to power. Sharif, who controls the second biggest party in parliament, the Pakistan Muslim League (N) has vowed to oust Musharraf at the earliest opportunity. “The nation has given its verdict. The sooner he accepts it the better,” said Sharif.
But Musharraf, targeted at least twice by al-Qaida assassins, has a knack for survival. And he has at least one loyal friend left. Shortly after the electoral drubbing George Bush paused on a trip to Africa to pay warm tribute to him. He sounded less enthusiastic about Sharif’s ascent. The message filtered quickly through the lines. In Washington the state department urged the opposition to work with Musharraf. In Islamabad American diplomats engaged in frantic talks with the opposition.
Senior officials from all parties told the Guardian they were trying to broker a deal that would ensure Musharraf stays in power. The PML (Q) official said his party was being pressured by US embassy officials hoping for a coalition between their party with Benazir Bhutto’s Pakistan People’s party, now led by her widower, Asif Ali Zardari.
“The Americans want a German-style grand coalition including the PPP,” he said. “They want Musharraf to stick around, even if it’s a diminished Musharraf.”
British officials have been more coy, bristling at suggestions they are following the American lead. But many Pakistanis believe Whitehall is singing from a hymn sheet drawn up in the White House.
“The British are masters at using their language; the Americans are more crude. But in the end, it comes down to the same thing,” said Nadir Chaudhri, a Sharif aide.
The western obsession with Musharraf seems puzzling. Since he resigned as army chief in late November most of Musharraf’s power has drained to his successor, General Ashfaq Kayani. Diplomats unanimously praise the former spychief as a sober and sympathetic commander.
The problem is Sharif, who although not elected to parliament is still the power behind the PML (N). Although he went through a makeover during his exile in Jeddah and London - polishing his English, acquiring a hair transplant and a wardrobe of Saville Row tweed jackets - diplomats fear he cannot, or will not, deliver on their greatest concern: hunting al-Qaida and Taliban militancy.
Critics suspect Sharif of being a closet “fundo”, or fundamentalist. They recall his infamous attempt to crown himself commander of the faithful while prime minister in 1998, and point to his family’s conservative background. His close links with Saudi Arabia, which provided a royal jet and bulletproof Mercedes for his return from exile, have also caused some concern, particularly about possible leakage of nuclear technology.
But supporters and some political rivals say such fears are misplaced. A former Sharif minister said that during a 1998 meeting with Bill Clinton in the White House Sharif signed off on a secret plan to assassinate Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, using a CIA-trained force of crack Pakistani troops. Earlier he permitted an FBI team to capture a terrorism suspect and bundle him into a plane bound for the US.
“The whole idea of Sharif being the odd man out in the war on terror is utter nonsense,” said Chaudhri, his aide. “There’s no one more committed to rooting out extremism than him.”
Still, Bush, whose has given more than $10bn to Pakistan since 2001, is more at home with Musharraf.
“He’s very loyal. It’s almost a tribal thing,” said one aide. To some degree, Musharraf has reciprocated. **Yesterday the New York Times reported that the president has allowed the CIA to set up a secret base inside Pakistan from which unmanned Predator aircraft can attack al-Qaida fugitives in the tribal areas. If Musharraf goes, officials worry, so could the permission to strike at will. **
But many Pakistanis are angry at what they see as American meddling, even among pro-western parties.
“The US has to understand that the parties now elected to parliament are not stooges of Musharraf. They are genuinely elected people,” said Senator Enver Baig, of Bhutto’s PPP.
**On the streets there is a tangible sense that the boundaries of power are blurring and Musharraf’s aura is fading. Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, a cigar-chomping politico who was a Musharraf favourite, was among 19 former ministers to lose their seats in Monday’s election. **
A few days later he held a press conference at a five-star hotel, visibly smarting from the loss and threatening to set up his own party.
“Politics is very crude. You have to deal with the situation,” he told the Guardian.
Speculation is rife that other PML (Q) cronies will defect to Sharif’s party - from whence many of them came - in droves.
On Thursday hundreds of lawyers and civil society activists tried to storm the barricades outside the Islamabad house of the imprisoned former chief justice, Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry. Lawyers in suits, ties and gardening gloves ripped back coils of barbed wire, only to be confronted with a phalanx of policemen armed with teargas and water canon. “Go Musharraf, go!” chanted the crowd - a mantra that has haunted the president since his botched attempted to fire Chaudhry last March. Musharraf despises the judge even more than he does Sharif; in a recent interview he described him as “the scum of the earth”.
But unlike previous protests, the police did not baton charge or thrash the protesters - at least not very much - and only a few teargas canisters were fired, which landed half-heartedly in a nearby garden. When the crowd dispersed peacefully, one lawyer shook hands briefly with a policeman in riot gear, who smiled back.
“Things have changed,” said the organiser, Athar Minallah. “Today Musharraf is obviously not in power, and that is the beauty of democracy.”
But Musharraf’s fate also rests on the ability of the fractious opposition to unite. In a country of giant egos and troubled history, that’s no sure thing. A complex game of blackmail and manoeuvre is underway.
On Thursday afternoon government lawyers reinvigorated a corruption case against Zardari, a move seen as a shot over the bow in his government-forming talks with Sharif. But that night the two men appeared in public, looking chummy on a pair of gilt-edged thrones, announced they would “cooperate” to form a government against Musharraf.
Exactly what that means is unclear. Sharif’s party wants to form a provincial government in Punjab but leave the national administration to the PPP, perhaps hoping to win an election outright in one or two years’ time. Zardari wants a genuine coalition.
“We are still in the opening moves of this chess game,” said Ayaz Amir, a newly-elected parliamentarian.
By roping in a few smaller parties the two leaders could cobble the two-thirds majority necessary to impeach Musharraf. The end could come by March 8, the date by which election officials estimate the new parliament will first sit.
Musharraf says he is going nowhere. “His term runs for five years. He knows there’s a vast number of people who appreciate and love him for what he’s done,” said Qureshi, his spokesman. “After all he’s done for this country, he would feel a little disappointed I guess.”
In his self-vaunting autobiography, published last year, Musharraf wrote that “a true leader will always be loved by his people”.
Supporters say if it comes to an impeachment motion, he may not fight to the end. “Frankly I’m not sure if he has the stomach for Custer’s last stand. I don’t see the fire in his belly any more,” said a party official.
A new home, complete with security bunkers, is under construction on the edge of Islamabad. Whether he needs to move in there any time soon should become clearer in the coming weeks.

Re: Clouds gather as 'sulky' Musharraf retreats to bunker

Daleel bhai. First it was said that President Musharaf will rig the lelections to save his Kursi? But instead Pakistan has see Freeest and Fairest elections in its history under the leadrership of great President Musharaf. However, people don't need to panic. Afterall, Nawaz Sharif and PPP had promised to the electorate that the first thing they will do is get rid of President Musharaf. Won't they? :)

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Haan, tho why did he allow nawaz back in the country?? Nawaz should have been arrested the minute he stepped back in. A criminal's charges don't disappear into thin air because nearly a decade has passed.

Why did he make deals with Nawaz to let him back in?? Why wasn't he arrested? Why was Benazir allowed back in, after all she'd done, and her and her husband still have international court cases pending and Zardari's talking about possibly taking a leadership position??

This is what he gets for making strange bedfellows. Musharraf was doing GREAT for the country until he buckled and let these fitnati folk back in, and they only know one thing. Zamindaari, which is a form of absolutism. They only know how to usurp people out of power and take over, and then do nothing for the awaam. And that's what they're going to do.

Musharraf needs to see a psych therapist ASAP. Being in a paranoid state of mind is not going to allow him to make rational decisions.

He's not screwing up now because all of a sudden he's evil. I think his paranoia is becoming a disease.

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^Can someone plz translate this into simple English?

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Lets say that the powers be (read Gen Kiyani) didnt let him rig the elections and Pakistan had a fair election despite Musharaaf not because of him. Lets get the facts straight.

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Mashallah. Is the source more reliable than the one that prompted people to shout everyday rigged, rigged, rigged? :slight_smile:

Maybe in some weeks, people will start saying PPP and PML (N) never really promised the electorate that they will get rid of President Musharaf. :hehe:

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The source is more reliable than the sources like “silent majority is with Musharraf” “PML(Q) will win 180 seats”, “Seraiki belt will vote overwhelmingly PML(Q)” and the most hilarious one"why arent people coming out on streets if they dont like Musharraf". :rotfl:

Re: Clouds gather as 'sulky' Musharraf retreats to bunker

Well really, why aren't they coming out on the streets? Musharraf's government has done more in the past near-decade than what any other PPP or PML-N gov't has done. There were hiccups, sure. But at this point, Musharraf needs to know better than to cut down on any media agency the way he did, and should know better to deal with protestors in a humane manner.

But Zardari back in power - now that's just bad, guys. How do you folks not see that this will be so much worse than the worst things Musharraf has ever done?

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Bhayio, Mush will stay as long US wants him to stay or he voluntarily decide to leave. So chill. You can not ignore US factor, which is the largest benefactor of Pakistan.

However he may not command the government with respect as he was doing previously.:D

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Shhh. Not so loud. If some people on GS and the electorate that allegedly voted for PPP and PML (N) to oustgreat President Musharaf rad this, they will be very disappointed. :D

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^Bhai electroate ko choraiN, aap tu khush howey, warna itney udaas they key apney sig God Bless bhi bhool gaye.

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God Bless You Iconocalst bhaijan. Meri fikar na karay. Ye dil hamesha khush hai. :D

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Yanks need to be shown middle finger thrown out permanently from Pakistan. They have no bloody business in meddling in our internal affairs.

http://dawn.com/2008/02/23/letted.htm#1

Leave us alone

DO we Pakistanis as civilians, journalists, human rights organisations, NGOs or our ambassadors and government ever go to the US to tell the Americans what to do in their country? The answer is ‘no’. Then why should American consulates and ambassador in our country intervene in or interfere with our national affairs advising our newly-elected party chiefs to do this or that? This naturally creates great suspicion about their offering, ie money, for favours such as continuity of their proteges.

A democratic wave has finally taken a turn, provoked by American policies working in this country till Feb 18. We Pakistani masses wish this new democracy to be nurtured rather than be nipped in the bud by American influence.

America claims to be a great supporter of democracy, then why not give us a chance to implement the will of our masses as it is they who have brought this change in our country by their vote and from here we wish to make this country rather than break it, as has been happening almost every day in the form of bomb blasts against American policy working in this country.

It is my anticipation that if our leaders now do away with American influence, the destruction of our country through bomb blasts will reduce.

As far as terrorism is concerned, it is Pakistan’s own priority and whether America asks for it or not, pays for it or not, we have to do it at our own cost of money and men to save this country from chaos. But saving the US in their country is not our problem. Asif Ali Zardari and Nawaz Sharif both have the great responsibility on their shoulders to join hands and and steer clear this nation through all the temptations on offer, all threats to their lives, and all other conspirational moots organised inside or outside the country to trap them into following a wrong direction.

A local channel is commendably playing these days the line of a song, Jo waada kiya woh nibhana padega. Let them add one more line to it: Rokay zamana kitna bhi tumko, karke dikhana padega.

The masses admire this reminding message to our national leaders at this critical time. If they failed to deliver now, then some new parties and new faces will emerge out of our national need to plant democratic norms for ever in the country and will snatch the next election from them.

It is Pakistan which has to live long (Long Live Pakistan) and not the individuals unless they sacrifice themselves for the country. If we did not stand firmly now against all odds, it will be most unfortunate as never again in future elections such clean sweeps may occur. So the two parties’ leaders must employ all their wisdom and very sincerely unite their political strengths together to run this country according to wishes of the masses who have voted for them in great hope.

A PAKISTANI
Karachi

Re: Clouds gather as ‘sulky’ Musharraf retreats to bunker

Beggers have no choice

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Shamraz Khan,

You have to be careful while showing 'middle finger' to benefactor. This is not the right time to do that, not now, not even in future. Pakistan need continued help till roots of democracy gets strong. Sudden change will rock the boat, perhaps no patriot Pakistani wants that to happen.

If Mush desires, he can leave voluntarily, not focefully.

Re: Clouds gather as 'sulky' Musharraf retreats to bunker

Does this mean PPP and PML (N), as promised to the electorate, will impeach and oust great President Musharaf. :)

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PCG, please do make me understand one thing. Whom are you refering to when you say "they"? Havent you realized that the election 2008 were a smack into Mushys face? No one wants him now....aur jo usko support de ga uska muu kalaa. Things have changed. Accept that once and for all.

President Musharraf’s mental state: confident/sulking in bunker? (threads merged)

The great President Musharaf is getting on with business as usual, which is why even his critics are now being careful in predicting his impending demise. I think that after the last one year of predictions, they have given up as well. :slight_smile:

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\02\23\story_23-2-2008_pg3_4

** Asif Zardari’s unfortunate decision to respond to the summons of the US Ambassador to Pakistan has added to the intangibles that had not been catered for. Other Ambassadors have met with political leaders in the past, particularly when they happen to head the party most likely to form the next government; but it is usually the ambassadors who call on the political leaders, not the political leaders who either seek a meeting or are summoned for one.

**There appears to be only one explanation for Zardari responding to this summons, i.e. the US establishment has something on him. If they indeed do, and I am not guilty of adding two and two to reach five, then what are the Americans pressurising him into doing? Are they trying to force him to ‘live with’ Musharraf? If so, that could be one possible explanation for Musharraf’s confidence, despite hearing the voice of the people. This would also explain Zardari’s reluctance to reinstate the judiciary that could threaten Musharraf.

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Re: Why is President Musharraf acting so confident?

The Americans are just treading a careful path here. Publicly they are supporting Musharraf at the moment because he has been as far as they are concerned a trusted ally. They just want to see how the new government and parliament function over the next few months. Once the US administration is convinced that the PPP government is equally committed to fighting terrorism and Al-Qaeda and would not jeopardise their interests in the region, my guess is that they won't be as unflinching in their support of Musharraf as before esp. if Mush's popularity ratings continue to nose dive. The Americans just want to safeguard their interests in the region. That has always been their game plan. They don't care really if it's Mush or Mr ABC.

Re: Why is President Musharraf acting so confident?

Because mush know how easy to buy pakistani politicians.