President Musharraf says junior Army & PAF officers tried to kill him (MERGED)

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**Military junior officials involved in attempts on me: Musharraf **

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf said Wednesday junior officers of his military were involved in assassination attempts on him last December.

Musharraf survived two assassination attempts, including a two-pronged suicide car-bomb attack on his convoy that killed 15 people and injured 46.

In an interview with Geo Television’ programme Follow up with Fahad on Wednesday, Musharraf said several junior officers of the Pakistan Army and the air force have been arrested in connection with the December attacks.

He said the officers would soon be tried in open court.

Musharraf said two types of people were involved in terrorist attacks, “those misled by religious extremists and those doing it for money.”

He said while the state power was needed to stop such attacks, it was also important to “address the social issues that cause some people to indulge in such activities.”

Musharraf said he was satisfied with performance of law enforcement agencies, which have tracked down and arrested all the people involved in attack on him.

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Is this any surprise? Soon we will find out that it was also senior army officers involved. It will take time, but soon we will all know how much deeply involved the Pakistani industrial-military complex is to terrorism. This same evil nexus has the nerve to point figures at MQM!

Can anyone now not say that ISI is the biggest enemy of Pakistan?

distressing...

Not surprising.

The lower level officers in Pak have slowly been associating with the jihadi outfits, so it sohuld not be a shock if some of them start believing in the same crap.

The fault for this lies directly with the senior leadership of Pakistan Army, especially Zia. But it was not only him. People before him cultivated the notion of one particular Islamist ideology and martial race nonsense. This is also why Pakistani Army today is not all inclusive force of Pakistanis, and it only represents a particular class of people.

I guess it all started with that bhutto guy appeasing radicals and declaring ahmedis non muslims.

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I guess it all started with that bhutto guy appeasing radicals and declaring ahmedis non muslims.
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Well, there was this Pindi Conspiracy (where so many army officials were involved to eliminate Liaqat Ali Khan) which was not concucted by Bhutto?

We cannot blame Bhutto for the military's own mentalities. Alot of jawans hate Musharraf. I used to study with a class full of Gentlmen Cadets, who would go on to become Army Officers, and they used to curse Musharraf thinking he was responsible for the deaths of Muslims in Afghanistan.

I view this as Musharraf's stupidity as he brought this issue in public. Lets analyze this rationally:

  1. By letting the whole world know, who does it benefit? Anti-Pakistan forces?

  2. If these officers were really involved than its time to review the policies.

  3. Had there been true democracy, we might not have faced such issues.

  4. Declaring such problems only serves Musharraf's position and interest . Maybe he wants to prolong his reign.

  5. Such stupid declarations may create further dissensions in the armed forces.

  6. Because of what Musharraf has revealed, we have these anti-Pakistan people such as Indians and tomorrow others raising fingers at our armed forces.

Therefore I strongly think that Musharraf better consult and make shoora before saying something so important. For once think that he is a human who could make mistakes.

Musharraf must have known this for months. The assassination attempt was in December and he says this now.

Why?

I think he is trying to tell the Americans not to pressure him too much but he may be too clever by half. *Musharraf has just declared that al-Qaida has infiltrated the only institution in Pakistan that is trusted by the Americans. *

I'll look for many reports from NY Times, Washington Post etc. about how al-Qaida members in Pak Army now have access to nukes ;)

There is a saying in Sanskrit called "Vinash kaley viparith buddhi" which means that only the mind that is seeking destruction thinks of devious ideas.

Come on this is not a surprise its obvious millions want to kill him in pakistan not just his own army!

For him to come out and make statement like that what does he want sympathy(hint hint amerikka) he knew what to expect when he joined hands with Bush and let the B-52 bombers do there damage to muslims of afghanistan

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I guess it all started with that bhutto guy appeasing radicals and declaring ahmedis non muslims.
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true Fraudia.

and spock,

the pindi cospiracy wasnt religously motivated. and the lower level military ppl (some of them) are no diff than the rst of pakistans emotional population. they are confused and have no clue what real time politics, strategic manoevering, foreing policies etc are. they are influenced by popular sentiment to such a degree that they forget those in key positions are actually more aware of whats happening around and what national interest is. ppl are mad at Mush for they think afghans died cause of him, and that stirs religious sentimentr in ppl and they call him an enemy of Islam. now for cryin out loud, what can we say to such ppl...? would one call the ppl who plan and carry out suicide attacks in mosques and streets of karachi warriors and true loving folowers of Islam fighting an Islamic war...? ppl out here in Pak have reeally lost all sense of what religion is, what its teachings are and when Jihad is to be fought and against who!?
these ppl are pitiful creatures, who have been brain washed in one way or the other through diff sources like foolish so called mullahs, irresponsible literature, media and so on.

Ahmed Rashid had warned about this quite early on:

FRONTLINE

Who is trying to kill Musharraf now? And why now?

Since 9/11, Musharraf has had a very contradictory policy toward these extremist groups. He has banned them and restricts them. At the same time, the intelligence services have worked with them very closely, especially in Kashmir and backing the Taliban. But I think what has happened now is that some of these extremist groups have realized that in the long term what Musharraf has been forced to do – as they see it, [forced] by the Americans – is a threat to their own existence and beliefs. And I think some of them have put together a suicide hit squad to try and eliminate him. They see his departure as being a signal for the army … perhaps radical elements in the army to come forward and not to pursue these pro-American policies. I think what we are seeing is a mixture of local extremist groups [and] elements of al Qaeda, who are still in Pakistan. And I think a silent grid of ISI [Inter-Services Intelligence, Pakistan’s military intelligence agency] officials; some of the scientists, perhaps, in the Kahota laboratories; some Islamicist intellectuals; people in the army; … [a] grid of very hard-line radicals right up there in the top of the establishments who I think would like to see Musharraf go.

What kind of pressure do you think Musharraf is under right now?

Musharraf is under enormous pressure right now. … He has tried to play this balancing act for the last two and half years. Since 9/11, he has tried to satisfy the West, the United States, the liberal critics inside Pakistan and also the fundamentalists. I think all these chickens are coming home to roost now. I don’t think you can walk two high wires at the same time.

Do you think that Musharraf faces any threats from within the army?

I think certainly these two assassination attempts had people inside the army supporting them. I think given what he has been forced to do on the nuclear issue and on making peace with India and on other things … that there is an increase … within the midlevel ranks of the army of anti-Musharraf feeling.

I think there certainly are security elements inside the military and intelligence that have been providing the extremists who are trying to assassinate him with information. I think that threat is pretty serious.

Would you comment on the military alliance with the maulvis, the religious clerics? Why is the Pakistan army in cahoots with these people?

The military has used the mullah, or the maulvi, alliance … to achieve two foreign policy aims. One is to continue the fight in Kashmir and to tie down the Indian troops over a long period of time, which of course has happened. And the second is to pursue a foreign policy in Afghanistan which is a support for the extreme Pashtun elements, whether it was Gulbuddin Hekmatyar [Afghan warlord and leader of the hard-line Hezb-i-Islami party that advocates attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan] or Taliban. … The mullahs have served the military’s interest over the last two decades really well. But I think … post-9/11, the army really did not understand that you could not at the same time back the Americans, crack down on terrorism and … continue this policy [of support for extreme elements]. Now what we are seeing two and half years down the road is all these elements coming together and real pressure. Now Musharraf has to cut his losses with the militants.

Do you think that the general public in Pakistan is happy with General Pervez Musharraf? Do you think that there is a sense that he is failing the people or are people accepting his policies?

I don’t think he has [ever] been as unpopular as he is right now. He is hugely unpopular, I think, from both ends of the spectrum. From the Islamicists, he is seen as toeing the American line, making peace with India, blaming the scientist for this nuclear proliferation etc. He is very unpopular with the middle-class liberals, the democrats, with the opposition parties because he can’t be seen to be doing enough. He is trying to run two horses at the same time. He is playing with the fundamentalists and with the Americans at the same time.

The whitewash of the nuclear issue by blaming the scientists – people are angry at this. And they are angry at the military, and I think what is happening is, unfortunately … , that his unpopularity is rubbing off very strongly on the army. I think some of the thinking generals and officers understand that very well – how unpopular the army is becoming with the public. And not just because of these issues but because of the corruption that people see: the perks and privileges that are going to the army; the enormous amount of benefits that the senior officers have reaped from this martial law … the lack of democracy; the fake elections last year; the parliament that has no powers; a dummy prime minister. And people are very angry.

But don’t you think that Musharraf [is in] a hard place? Do you think that anyone else would have been able to do a better job or he is doing the best that he can under the circumstances?

No doubt that he is in a hard place. But unfortunately, since 9/11, when he got a new lease on life, he has not been genuine about a single policy that he has pursued. He was not genuine about backing the Americans after 9/11. There was a resurgence of militance in Kashmir and a rebacking of the Taliban after they were defeated.

There has been no real national assessment by the military. There has been no real thinking carried out by the military. Musharraf has played politics by the seat of his pants. There have been day-by-day tactical moves. Today we have to satisfy the fundamentalists; then it’s the Americans. That’s the way it has been played, and it has been tragic. There were huge opportunities after 9/11 … if he had pursued [other] policies, it would have dramatically altered the political makeup of Pakistan. And the key to that was to bring in the civilians in a genuine power-sharing agreement. [But] he has consolidated the military power more than ever.

Do you think that the assassination attempts have had any effect on Musharraf? That he is a changed person?

He is very shaken, and the people close to him have told me that he is shaken. He was very glib and thought that he could get away with this kind of a policy. But after these attempts, he has realized that he cannot. … It has a very profound personal impact on him. But how [will] this translate into policies, how [will] this turn into a crackdown on the militant groups? … Not a convenient crackdown … for two or three months, [but] a real strategy to deal with tens and thousands [of militants who will] become redundant if the peace talks in Kashmir succeed. What is the army going to do with them? Is there going to be re-education of them, a demobilization process? All this has to be thought through, and I am not seeing that level of thought process at the moment.

Do you think that there would be a power vacuum if Musharraf were to go tomorrow?

The real issue in Pakistan under a military regime has always been that of grabs for succession – very uncertain and mercurial. We saw that after the death of Zia-ul-Haq in 1988. General Aslam Beg wanted [to] declare martial law and take over. President Ishaq Khan prevented him from doing that, and then we had an election, fortunately. Whoever comes in next in power, I necessarily don’t see these policies taking a U-turn. I don’t see a radical general coming in and combating the U.S.A. I don’t see anything like that.

I see that the struggle after Musharraf would be very fierce. He has not strengthened the political system. … Succession in a military regime is always uncertain.

Within the army itself, how do you perceive the hierarchy and the structure? Do you think it has changed over the years or since the war with Afghanistan or since the rise of the Taliban started?

There is a great degree [more] of Islamicization in the army than what you had before because so many officers have been involved in Afghanistan and Kashmir and there has been a radicalization of the military. After 9/11, a long-term program was needed to reassess the education of … military officers. That has not happened so far. What exists are a lot of middle-level officers who were inducted during the 1980s at the height of the Afghanistan jihad. Many of them were inducted from the religious schools. They became more radical during the 1990s in the Afghan and the Kashmir war. These officers are also looking at the corruption of the generals, the perks and privileges, the plots, houses etc. where Musharraf is just buying them off … there would be resentment on that front too. Certainly they will form a critical element against what Musharraf’s policies are right now.

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*Originally posted by Spock: *
Well, there was this Pindi Conspiracy (where so many army officials were involved to eliminate Liaqat Ali Khan) which was not concucted by Bhutto?

We cannot blame Bhutto for the military's own mentalities.
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Spock I was only referring to teh giving in to the right wing part. Zia was horrid in that regard, but the momentum had started before him with the idiotic move by ZA Bhutto.

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I wonder if these 6 “junior” officers arrested were part of the plan?

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_20-5-2004_pg7_2

Colonel Abdul Khalid (General Headquarters), Lt Col Abdul Ghaffar (Headquarters Army Aviation Command), Major Muhammad Adil (General Headquarters), Major Muhammad Rohail (2nd Corps), Major Attaullah (2nd Corps) and Capitan Dr Usman Zafar (Mujahid Battalion) were allegedly arrested and detained by unknown authorities on different dates.

Pakistan Links Pearl Murder To Mush Assassination Attempts

28 May 2004 06:27 GMT

Pakistan Links Pearl Murder To Pres Assassination Bids

ISLAMABAD (AP)–An Islamic militant who helped orchestrate the kidnapping and murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl is believed to have played a key role in two assassination attempts last year against President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, senior security officials said Friday.

Amjad Hussain Farooqi, a senior leader of the outlawed Lashkar-e-Jhangvi extremist group, has been missing since Pearl was abducted in the southern city of Karachi in January 2002 during what he thought was a meeting to interview a militant leader. His captors later cut his throat and released a videotape of his death.

Friday, senior Pakistani security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Farooqi played a central role in two attempts to kill Musharraf last September by blowing up his motorcade, once by exploding a bridge it had just passed over and the second by having suicide bombers drive explosive-laden cars into the vehicles.

The revelations follow an interview with Musharraf broadcast Thursday by the private Geo TV station where the president - hated by Islamic extremists for allying Pakistan with the U.S. in the war on terror - said a Pakistani mastermind of the attacks against him remained at large.

Musharraf didn’t identify the Pakistani mastermind. Other senior officials refused to comment Friday whether Farooqi was the target of a new manhunt or to confirm whether he played a role in the anti-Musharraf plots.

Musharraf claimed that the rest of the network plotting the assassination attempts had been smashed, including the arrests of junior army and air force personnel whom he suggested had been paid for providing information about his movements and other details.

5Abi,

Can you merge this with the other thread on Musharraf assassination attempts?

Thanks

i feel its a ploy to keep hanging on the uniform...to show the world that he is controlling an army of fanatics, and after he sheds uniform, the post might fall into wrong hands...

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true Fraudia.

and spock,

the pindi cospiracy wasnt religously motivated. and the lower level military ppl (some of them) are no diff than the rst of pakistans emotional population. they are confused and have no clue what real time politics, strategic manoevering, foreing policies etc are. they are influenced by popular sentiment to such a degree that they forget those in key positions are actually more aware of whats happening around and what national interest is. ppl are mad at Mush for they think afghans died cause of him, and that stirs religious sentimentr in ppl and they call him an enemy of Islam. now for cryin out loud, what can we say to such ppl...? would one call the ppl who plan and carry out suicide attacks in mosques and streets of karachi warriors and true loving folowers of Islam fighting an Islamic war...? ppl out here in Pak have reeally lost all sense of what religion is, what its teachings are and when Jihad is to be fought and against who!?
these ppl are pitiful creatures, who have been brain washed in one way or the other through diff sources like foolish so called mullahs, irresponsible literature, media and so on.
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Well, no matter what, if he plays with people's religions (or atleast their perception of religion), thats what he will get, and he will have to deal with it. My point is not about who started it and whether it was due to religious fanatics or not... Its just to clarify that these attempts are occuring due to musharrafs political moves, not because of 'bhutto' or 'ayub khan' or Yahya. And yeah, Zakk is right too. Its good that this time the attention wasnt diverted to kala bagh damn ;)