President can indemnify any act, even his own - PPP Constitutional Pacakage.

Mashallah. People want the Great Presiident Musharaf of Pakistan to continue to be a very powerful President. Looks like Great Zardari has recognised this fact. :slight_smile:

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=15112

**President can indemnify any act, even his own **

In a stunning move, which defies logic and common sense, the constitutional package proposes additional powers for the president “to indemnify any act whatsoever”, including probably the unconstitutional and illegal acts committed by anyone, including the chief of the Army staff. This sweeping power has been added in the Article 45 of the Constitution but the only saving grace is that under this article the president has to act on the advice of the prime minister. The Article 45 of the current Constitution reads: “The president shall have power to grant pardon, reprieve and respite, and to remit, suspend or commute any sentence passed by any court, tribunal or other authority.”

After the PPP amendment, it would read: “The president shall have power to grant pardon, reprieve and respite, and to remit, suspend or commute any sentence passed by any court, tribunal or other authority or indemnify any act whatsoever.” The insertion of indemnifying any act whatsoever means the president would have the powers to indemnify any action, including subversion of the Constitution, acts of high treason, suspension or abrogation of the Constitution for any period of time, an expert said.

The amendment also does not clarify whether acts against the Constitution itself would be open for indemnification. It also does not clarify whether acts committed in the past, before this amendment, would also be open to indemnification. “On the one side, the thrust of the proposed package is to weaken the president, while on the other side this proposal is intended to strengthen him through an indirect route,” the expert said. This, he said, means that the president is being empowered to “indemnify” any illegality, may be the ones he himself committed, if the prime minister so desires or recommends.The PPP package also seeks to drastically emasculate the widely-hailed suo motu powers of the Supreme Court to enforce fundamental rights under the famous Article 184(3) of the Constitution. Now, the apex court will only pronounce a ‘declaratory judgment’ in such matters, which will not be binding on anybody. As defined by the dictionary, a “declaratory judgment merely decides the rights of parties in a given transaction, situation, or dispute but does not order any action or award damages”. This provision has been exceedingly important and even repeated dissolutions of the National Assembly by the president in his discretion since 1988 was always challenged under it. Similarly, all the suo motu actions taken by the chief justice or any other judge were always taken under this article. The constitutional expert said the existing provision would become totally irrelevant after the apex court orders on enforcement of fundamental rights would no more remain mandatory and enforceable.

Further restricting the court powers, the draft constitutional package says that an application under Article 184(3) “shall be heard by a bench comprising not less than five judges to be constituted by the chief justice of Pakistan in consultation with two most senior judges of the Supreme Court”. After deposed chief justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry’s aggressive judicial activism, the then government had also thought of cutting his suo motu powers but failed to do so. Another proposed amendment seeks to discard the president as part of parliament (Article 50). This does not make sense as the Indian president and the Queen of England, who is just a figurehead, are still part of parliament. The expert sensed some problem being faced by the government in replacing the incumbent Attorney General Malik Qayyum. He based his opinion on an amendment proposed in Article 100, where the president has been totally omitted and substituted with the words “federal government” in appointing the chief law officer. However, he said previously the president had been nominating someone as attorney-general, whose name was recommended to him by the federal government. Some original provisions of the 1973 Constitution are being restored. For example, the name of the successor would have to be given in a no-confidence motion against the prime minister. Similarly, the senior minister will act as prime minister in the absence of the latter from the country. Likewise, in the case of difference on a bill between the National Assembly and the Senate, the proposed piece of legislation would be put before a joint sitting of parliament and would not be referred to a mediation committee as provided now. The speaker of the provincial assembly has been proposed to be acting governor when the incumbent governor is not available. At the moment, the government can appoint anybody as acting governor. The Supreme Judicial Council has been replaced with a commission comprising retired “non-politicised” judges, who will decide the fate of the sitting justices of the Supreme Court and high courts in case of complaints against them. An appeal against the decision of the commission can be filed with the Supreme Court, which will be heard by a bench not less than nine judges to decide it within 30 days. The proposed package takes away the discretionary powers of the president to hold a public referendum. Now, it will be parliament that will decide so in case of a matter of public importance. Commenting on the package, former Senate chairman Wasim Sajjad said the package was of far-reaching consequences and needed intensive debate in parliament.

It seems that Zardari is trying his best to put stick in Nawaz back side :)

Anyhow, as the things are going, maybe we might see Presidential type of government in future (InshaAllah). If that would happen then I would like to see President getting elected directly from vote of people with provinces to have their weighting in vote percentage, not linked to just population but various aspects. For instance weighting in votes should be for:

Population (according to domicile) = 30 percent.
Area = 15 percent
GDP of province = 20 percent
Contribution of tax to National Exchequer = 20 percent
Level of literacy rate in province (only people with at least Matric certificate counts) = 10 percent
Capital city (Islamabad), Kashmir, FATA and Northern areas and overseas Pakistani = 5 percent with no weighting in above sectors

Plus, voters should only cast votes in province of their domicile and further, no province should have more than 30 percent weighting in any of the above sectors of presidential vote weighting ... further, no province should have less than 18 percent weighting in any of the above sectors. So it would mean all provinces would have fair share in each sector regardless of their position. It would also mean that as the situation is, most a province would get is 25 to 27 percent share in Presidential vote weighting.

This would make President proper representative of not only all provinces but different aspects of provincial needs and provincial contributions would be taken into account too.

One thing is for sure and that is, Pakistan is a federation and is slowly getting divided politically on provincial level. In such situation, Pakistan cannot have dominance of one province in federal government.

At present, there are 342 NA seats.

Punjab plus Islamabad: 185
Sindh: 75
Sarhad plus FATA: 55
Balochistan: 17
Non Muslims: 10

Only 172 votes in NA is needed to form Federal government and Punjab alone can decide that if they join together and want to. That is unfair in every respect and the way things are going on in Pakistan, this should not be allowed.

I think that no province should have more than 30 percent say in federal government, ideally even less than that, maybe 25 to 28 percent at most. Further, no province should have less than 20 percent say in federal government.

Sa1eem bhaijan. There is indeed more to it than meets the eye. Keep watching Great Zardari, wait for the constitutional amendment and see what happens. :slight_smile:

God Bless democracy in Pakistan. Long may it continue. :k:

Re: President can indemnify any act, even his own - PPP Constitutional Pacakage.

These new powers are for the FUTURE president, not for Mushy. :yawn: he will not be in a mess like Mushy is now. All he will have to do is to make a call from Nao Dero to Gillani house and bingo… All actions will have a “constitutional cover”, who cares about 2/3rd majority! BTW there goes the trump card NS & CJ. :chai:
Seems like from MILITARY dictatorship, we are heading towards “UNDECLARED” civilian dictatorship. but who cares as long as we get rid of Mushy.. :balley: :balley:

Re: President can indemnify any act, even his own - PPP Constitutional Pacakage.

But where does Nawaz and Ifti fit in here? :hehe:

Re: President can indemnify any act, even his own - PPP Constitutional Pacakage.

actually they fit perfectly in this scenario. Ifti will be reinstated & NS will say he “RESTORED” the judiciary. Once Mushy is out, Juhla-e-PAkistan will go back to their homes saying that country is on “right” track now. No one will pay attention to these “MINOR” constitutional changes as long as Mushy is not sitting on the chair. :chai:
and who THNK that Ifti will be able to take some action, they live in Koko land since these new changes will give all constitutional cover the president need to oust him or the whole bench in a whim.

Re: President can indemnify any act, even his own - PPP Constitutional Pacakage.

Musharraf is some sort of higher being right aalsi, he can do anything he wants, to retain his kursi?

Spock bhaijan. Are you saying that the govt that was elected in the freeest and fairest elections in Pakistan history has no power, and that the Parliament is not Supreme, and it can't do anything to remove Great President Musharaf from his kursi? Surely not? :)

If you want true representation of all stakehoplders hj all the shares you've come up witg. 50pct should be divvied amongst USA Saudies and China since more governance cone from there than fro$ any provinces.

And how can you exclude military?

Aalsi Bhaijaan, where did I say this was the freest and fairest elections in the history of Pakistan? Are you talking about Fair and Lovely for President Musharraf?

Spock bhaijan. Are you suggesting that PPP and PML (N) could only get the large numbers of seats they got through rigging? With regards to fair an lovely, that would be the constitutional package that is being presented to the elected parliament. :)

Aalsi bhai, there are far too many seats that the PML qlota league won still no where close to the famous 175 seat victory prediction, which proves the elections were rigged.

Also Aalsi bhaijaan, I think the fair and lovely package your referred to will probably look better on Great Zardari on the presidency :p

Spock bhaijan. After Feb 18 elections, the joyous mood of anti PML (Q) people was evident and the toasting of free and fair elections was talk of the town. Amazing what a difference few months makes when the hopes of certain people have not been turned into a reality, and the utopia that was being envisaged is nothing but a far away dream as Pakistan spirals into chaos.

Wait for the constitutional amendment. All will be well - or should I say 'fair and lovely'. :)

Re: President can indemnify any act, even his own - PPP Constitutional Pacakage.

Aalsi, are you forgetting the 2nd badshaah of the PML[Q] Chaudhry Shujaat is on record saying ‘Dhaandhli nahee Dhandhlaa ho gya’. Would you call this joyous mood?

So it seems like great Zardari isnt aiming for the pmship like you thought, he is aiming for the presidency :hehe: I am sure you will approve of that, afterall this is great Zardari we are talking about

Spock bhaijan. You forgot to say ‘Inshallah’.

If and when Great President Musharaf is impeached or ousted, Great Zardari will indeed be the best person to lead Pakstan. :slight_smile: :jhanda:

Aalsi, you are finally admitting great Musharraf will be finally ousted, impeached or will resign himself (though hes too dheet and zaleel for such a thing).

Spock bhaijan. When will this happen? Electorate are losing patience. :hehe:

Your laughter reeks of your hypocrisy, on one hand you are asking when will “Great” Mush be impeached on the other hand you call Zardari Great as well. Its okay to follow/imitate someone but don’t fall to the level of hypocrisy atleast.

ehtasab bhaijan. Are you suggesting that Great Zaradri is not Great and not the person to deliver on the requirements of the electorate? Just wait for the constitutional amendment. All will be 'Fair and Lovely'. :)