I recently learned that the dates for the beginning of Ramadan and Eid would be preset this year. The dates have already been announced and the reasoning has been provided.
I quickly skimmed through it and I have mixed feelings. I like the idea of unity, but I don’t feel all that comfortable with fixing dates based on scientific calculations. If, however, it has been proven that the dates calculated scientifically have always been correct, then I’d have more of a reason to follow such a system.
I wonder how successful this method would be. What if there are many who decide to still stick to the actual moon sighting and discard the new method in place?
What are your views and opinions and how successful do you think this system would be? I also wouldn’t mind explanations or examples, so that I could better understand it.
I do not think fixing dates are based on scientific calculations but rather followed through out the Islamic year. Technically, we should follow Islamic year.
We follow according to moon. Wahhabi/Salafi’s schedule is apart in terms of dates, they tend to fast and celebrate Eid a day before than rest of Muslims according to Mecca’s schedule. I am still investigating about Aqidah and I can not say anything to be the correct one.
I apologize to attempt my best to say whatever I did. Other Muslims would be able to explain you.
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I don't want the two threads to be merged. I'd like to have one about the ideas about Ramadan, whereas I'd like this one solely about the discussuion over the dates.
The two together would end up focusing on one and the other topic would die.
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The two together would end up focusing on one and the other topic would die.
What are you attempting up to say? Can you sum up everything please? It is just a bit confusing. I just typed up everything in my previous reply what I understood. Do you mean to say the Ramadan timings are not precise amongst the following of Islamic schedule?
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GOOD THREAD :k:
Unfortunately Its not going to get any conclusions
Half the GS population will say we definitely need Ijtehaad on this and a common consensus from the Muslim Ummah.
The other half will say that the current practice should be followed and it doesnt really matter if Mr. Mehmood and Mr. Ayaz who live in the same mohallah celebrate EID on two different dates because they follow a certain school of thought… etc etc etc.
I will go by the first group and hope to see a day when, in the SAME HEMISPHERE or GEOGRAPHIC location atleast, the muslims celebrate the EIDs on a common date.
Waisay bhi, in this industrial age its becomming more and more difficult to sight the moon on the first of the month, because of high rise constructions, smoky and foggy skies… How many of us actually climb to an elevated place to sight the moon and then provide SHAHADA for the sightings ??
We TRUST the television announcement to tell us if its EID tomorrow or not…
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Ijtehaad is on things which were never practiced by the prophet:saw: and his companions Ridhwanullah AliyehaY Ajmaeen…
There are clear ahaadeeth of Prophet:saw: and traditions from the time of Khulafaa-e-Rashideen that command us to follow LOCAL moonsighting. I even read a hadeeth in Saheeh Al Bukhari that a Caliph did not consider a shahadah of a fellow sahaabi about moon who saw it in Palistine saying that the moon was for Palestine and they have eid there but we in madinah still need to sight the moon… Have we muslims these days become more knowledgable in Islam than those rightly guided Caliphs of Islam?
Having said that, it is disobedient of the Prophet:saw: to device any other method solely to determine the timing of the month. The scientific/astronomical calcualtion should be used for the scholarly and accuracy purposes but it is still a Sunnah Al Wajib to look for a new moon… Given all this sitaution, we are supposed to follow our collective Shura of hilaal sighting and the onus remains on their shoulder, we can only voice our opinion and let them know what we feel as wrong done from their end.
