Is it allowed or not?
Do you agree with Zakir naik’s famous 2+2=4 quote?
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
Peace kchughtai,
Didn't read Zakir Naik's quote. So far I never seen such preaching activities in Islamic Society.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
He said that at least on two occasions. One was during an interview with shahid masood. I will try to find a video on youtube and let you know.
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So far I never seen such preaching activities in Islamic Society.
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why so? my question is not about the usual practice but about what should be the case.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
Peace kchughati,
I meant they preach but inside the premises.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
Islam based on quran orders open debates because that is what islamic mission is all about ie let the truth come out for all to se it for themselves. It is mullahs and secular democratic societies based upon exploitation of humanity that stifle proper debate.
Mullahs always rule in the name of religion and kings always rules in the name country and that is how power was split between kings and priests. Even today there is no much difference. All powerful ways of communication between people are under control of powerful elite so they let people know what they want them to know and that is the real problem.
This opposition was so obvious in our part of the world when sir syed was opposed by mullahs and when iqbal and jinnah and parwez had to go through same opposition.
The quranic concept of islam was replaced by interpretations of the quran which tried to mask the truth. Thus kings and their priests turned islam from deen to mazhab and split power between kings and mullahs upon which is based idea of separation between church and state. All this was done to use religion as tool to control masses to use and abuse them at will.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
Here is his quote.
I find this absolutely ridiculous. He equates Islamic intolerence of the propagation of other religions as proof of the assuredness of Muslims’ belief.
By that logic, if America, France etc start violently prohibiting the public practice of Islam, then they are 100% sure of their religion.
This kind of logic is why people have a problem with religion; the whole “my way or the highway” mentality.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
What is wrong with his 2+2 formula? I don't see anything ridiculous. Non-muslim should ask their govt. why it would allowed or if a country 'A' allowed to build/construct our worship place then in return we shall allow theirs. If they don't then neither we.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
What is wrong with his 2+2 formula? I don't see anything ridiculous. Non-muslim should ask their govt. why it would allowed or if a country 'A' allowed to build/construct our worship place then in return we shall allow theirs. If they don't then neither we.
A Christian might say that what they're saying is 2+2 = 4 and the Muslim is actually saying 2+2 = 3. This 2+2 argument is not a good analogy.
Are you saying that non-muslim countries being tolerant of other religions is a bad thing?
There are plenty of non-muslim countries that allow muslims to build their places of worship.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
What is good take it and what is bad leave it.
No. What I am saying non-muslim should approach to their govt. level and ask their superiors rather than asking others.
Exactly, same as there are plenty of muslim countries too that allow the same. But some countries do not. That is the theme of 2+2.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
What is good take it and what is bad leave it.
No. What I am saying non-muslim should approach to their govt. level and ask their superiors rather than asking others.
Exactly, same as there are plenty of muslim countries too that allow the same. But some countries do not. That is the theme of 2+2.
The only Muslim country (as far as I'm aware) that is secular is Turkey, and even there some religious people want to turn the government into a religious state.
The fact is that propagating your faith should be allowed, but Islam doesn't allow this and this is in conflict with modern principles of secularism. In America there are Christians who believe that America is a Christian nation and that all Muslims should be mistrusted or kicked out. It is precisely because of their secular government that Muslims are allowed to practice their faith. You can't say the same of Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
And don't say that the Saudis or Pakistan are justified because Islam is the "right" religion. There is no right religion, just the religion you happen to believe in.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
Well, about allowing preaching, than all aspects should be observed otherwise consequence leads towards sectarianism, in more simple words:
2+2=4 (correct as per group A)
2+2=3 (correct as per group b)
2+2=11 (correct as per group c)
Now there are three different groups with theirs belief. One group is correct but others two are not or maybe. Avoid sectarianism, from starting stage why not allow only those who believe 2+2=4 i.e. A. from group B and C, they can join/preach with group A but the criterion is B and C shall do research how 4 is correct and they must accept it correct, then.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
You're missing the point. You don't know if 2+2=4 (i.e. if Islam is the correct).
To put it another way:
2+2=? (correct as per group A)
2+2=?(correct as per group b)
2+2=? (correct as per group c)
All groups say that their answer is 4. Group A says that group C's answer is not 4, but 3. Group C says group A's answer is not 4, but 11.
There is no way to know which one is right. Common sense says that you either assume all groups or wrong and forbid them all, or you allow all groups to preach.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
Peace Ghost14,
When majority agree on 2+2=4 is correct than there might be some reason why the answer 4 is accepted as 'correct'. Finding out the reason i.e. learning it would be lead towards being it correctness or wrongness. Hence Islam is the fastest growing religion comparing to others.
When I say majority i meant it as 'Islam'.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
You're missing the point. You don't know if 2+2=4 (i.e. if Islam is the correct).
To put it another way:
2+2=? (correct as per group A) 2+2=?(correct as per group b) 2+2=? (correct as per group c)
All groups say that their answer is 4. Group A says that group C's answer is not 4, but 3. Group C says group A's answer is not 4, but 11.
There is no way to know which one is right. Common sense says that you either assume all groups or wrong and forbid them all, or you allow all groups to preach.
If all groups say that their answer is 4 than there is no need for any discussion :)
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
Islam up to the Colonial era of the 19th Century was never an Evangelical faith where the attitude would be "My way or the Highway".
History shows us that in pre colonial times Islamic societies flourished with a diverse mixture of races and creeds co-existing for the most part with out intolerance and violence in fact in some ways it was a more tolerant world.
Even during the Crusades Muslim and Christian even jewish communities lived side by side. In Italy and Byzantine areas for example cities like Constantinople had a Muslim, a Jewish and variuous other factions or quarters of the city. As did Jerusalem and many other big cities in the middle east.
The real hate wars of the day were cuased by internal power struggles in each group such as Sunni v Shia. Greek Orthodox v Roman Catholic... Jews, Judaens and Gentiles etc.
However it was not till the 19th Century when the Christian Evangelist movements and the Saudi Wahabi movements that the problems began and since then evangelicals faiths have been fighting for "converts".
Before this time there was struggles occasionally but neither side was on a war to win converts or to prove "my way is better" everyone just accepted each others existence and if fights did break out it was ussually due to a variety of factors not just religion. Only in the last couple of centuries have we had these "religious wars" for example in Kenya and South Asia where both sides fight for the total extermination of the opposition.
Re: Preaching faiths other than Islam in an Islamic society
It is nothing more than a matter of how the society in a muslim country views religion.
Among the charges laid against the last man executed for heresy in Scotland (Thomas Aikenhead) was that he public stated that he preferred the teachings of Mohammed (pbuh) to those of Christ (pbuh).
As Scottish society collectively deemed that religion is not that important, such statements became considered to be less serious over time.