pre-meds and volunteering

Hey guys,

I need some advice from our pre-med crowd (uh 98% of gupshup? hehe). I am going to begin my 3rd year of undergrad, and honestly, I never bothered to do any volunteering. Mainly because I wasn’t too interested in medicine at first…but that’s another story. Now, I’m thinking of giving medical school a serious try and I understand that volunteering experience is highly important.

So.

  1. How important is it relative to other things like your academics, MCAT scores, leadership, etc

  2. I understand that you should avoid humdrum type volunteer jobs - like bookshelving and clerical work. Volunteer jobs with patient care is the best way to go. So, do you guys have suggestions for some good experiences you’ve had in volunteering?

Thanks,
PCG

Hi, before I put in my two cents I should mention that my knowledge is mainly restricted to Canadian med schools. There are some important differences (according to my info) which I will mention. Also, I should mention that I’m not in med school or anything. so this is not a success story or a guide to success or anything of the sort. Just my impressions..

GPA is the most important part of a med school app. everything else is secondary and probably a distant secondary. In most Canadian med schools, even the MCATs are not as important as they in their American counterparts. MCATs are largely used a flag and if you have more than the bare minimum cutoffs, they will not be factored afterwards in the process. However, I know that in American schools the MCATs can become more important depending on the person’s scores.

After these two factors, come the extracurriculars which include volunteering. Volunteering is such a norm with premeds that if you don’t have volunteering experience you’re only going to look bad unless you have some other stellar experiences which can compensate for volunteering. Supposedly people have thousands of hours of credit for volunteering when they apply. (I wonder if most normal people can afford to volunteer that kind of time. I know I can’t)

However, if you think that volunteering is going to bring your GPA down or impact your MCATs then you should quit ASAP. If American schools are anything like Canadian schools then, your app is most likely going to be screened by a computer which will automatically kill your app if you do not meet the numeric cutoffs for your GPP and MCATs. So, there is no point of volunteering if it’s going to lower your GPA or jeapordize your MCATs.

Volunteering in a med environment is probably preferred to other kinds of activities. However, if you find some other activity more enjoyble you should go for it. You should try to make sure though that you have some sort of a leadership role if possible though. You also want to if possible try get a reference out of such a situation.

My own volunteering experiences are very limited (mainly because of time but I’m adding them since you asked). I have taught a small class on some basic VB programming in a community centre. I really like teaching, so I went for it plus the organizer was a friend’s friend. Then, in the fall I plan on volunteering in a local hospital. don’t know in what position yet.

I’ve spoken to some med students who gave me the impression that a couple of months in a hospital (even in a clerical or recption position) is normally good enough. If you have the time and the energy to go educate people in Africa about AIDS, then you should probably do that to make your app stand out. The point of volunteering is to show the admission people that you have seen the kind of work you will be doing and you know what you’re getting into. And then there is the helping society stuff, etc etc etc.

I know you’re in Amreeka but there is this really good Canadian med board that you might want to check out. there is a LOT of information on this stuff if you have the time to go through it. You will however, have to parse through some of the stuff since it is geared mainly towards Canadians and Canadian schools. the link is if you’d like to check it out:
http://pub125.ezboard.com/bpremed101

You should probably know much more than I do about this stuff but I added my little tidbits regardless. good luck. hope you get in whenever and wherever you apply.

ps: Sehar aunty ought to know a lot about this topic too. maybe she’ll add her input too.

PCG, when I was pre-med I was advised to volunteer at the hospital. I think what you can do is go to JMH volunteer services and sign up there. They will ask you what area you'd prefer to work in, as in with what sort of patients. I think JMH is best where you live, because its an interntionally known hospital. You can make some good connections there, and its a great experience. I volunteered there myself. smile

Volunteering is a very good idea, even if its 4 hours a week (one day a week). They pay for your lunch. grin

samb's that helps a lot - munni, thanks also - i've put in some app's to local hospitals already.

From what I understand, its not the hour of volunteering that are important, but the quality of volunteering and what you get out of it. Also, one should have volunteering experience in a health field environment and also a non-health field environment, like maybe helping the homeless.

But my concern is how many hours? I have only one year left really to put in volunteer hours and it will show that i did absolutely no humanitarian volunteering in my first two years. Naturally, I have to explain on the application that I wasn't interested in medicine for about 3 semesters...

So to compensate for not having done hours as yet, I was thinking of putting myself in overload and at least getting 200-300 hours out of the summer. And then more during the school year and then even more next summer....? No?

And 1000's of volunteering hours? I am not sure if every student has 1000's of volunteering hours. Maybe they've worked on various projects and places. I am thinking of having a 500 hour goal, but I am wondering if i'll be wasting time when other applicant's will have an average of 200 hours or so...you know?

-pcg

If I were you I wouldn't be worried about the "I was not interested in med school back then" bit. If anything you should use that to give your application a positive spin. Plus, you should definitely be prepared for a question on why your volunteering experience is so concentrated in the year before you apply.

PYC - I think its more important for you do some research job in a hospital then just simply volunteer. You are looking not only to get some good experience but also meet people who may be able to help you get into med school when you graduate and they can be found mostly in hospitals.

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Still not giving up? :)

PCG, I work for a Medical School, the same medical school where my wife went to medical school. I work very closely with Medical Education and am very good friends with our Dean of Admissions. Volunteering at a hospital doesn't have anything to do with getting into med school.

Volunteering, period, anywhere, may help, but doesn't have to be in a hospital. You also may want other extra curricular activities. Med schools want people who have good GPAs, good MCAT scores, and good admission essays.

Med schools also like to see diversity, they don't necessarily want only pre meds. Med schools really like people with undergrad degrees in other fields, it shows a broader range of knowledge and ability. They like English majors, math majors, and history majors. Also, being a woman helps, med schools today are trying to bring the number of women applicants up.

The most important thing is your med school interview. This is where you make it or lose it. These interviewers can sense whether you REALLY want to be part of their institution.

Good luck to ya.

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And 1000's of volunteering hours? I am not sure if every student has 1000's of volunteering hours. Maybe they've worked on various projects and places. I am thinking of having a 500 hour goal, but I am wondering if i'll be wasting time when other applicant's will have an average of 200 hours or so...you know?

-pcg
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I dont think you need a large number of hours. I volunteered over the space of a year and accumulated 300 hours, going once or twice a week for four hours each day. That was a fairly decent amount of hours according to my advisors, etc. JMH also interviews the volunteer, and from volunteering there I can tell you I made some pretty good contacts had I wanted to ever "work/intern" there in the future.