Pre-Election Deal and post election scenerio

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yes they didn't have any chance other than black mailing sindh govt and going on rampage and killing spree to make sure their demands are met and Sindh govt doesn't get destabilized, so nice of them.
Not to mention n number of times they left and joined the govt, and left again few days before to sit on opposition benches so that again they help PPP in making caretaker govt of their choice.

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PMLN-PPP alliance was gone in few months if you don't know. except punjab govt where PPP decided to be clingy and stick to the perks as much as they could, despite no compulsion from their rivals to stay in govt.

and by the way, MQM is more like majboori or rather a liability of Pakistan, not PPP.

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I have also heard an idiom that:
‘Never argue with someone who can pull you down to their level and then try to beat you up with ridiculous idioms. :)’

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MQM may be doing what others do, but only problem is that when MQM boycott election people with below 10000 votes win NA constituencies where there are over 300000 votes (remember 1997 election).

On the other hand it always make me proud to know that people of Karachi vote genuine graduates who live in same community as their neighbours, work with commitment while in government or out of government, and party top leadership are not greedy of parliament seats (they do not even care to contest election) or chair of power (Kursi).

Such illuminative behaviour of Karachiettes is exceptional in third world politics, especially Pakistani tribal politics, where poor Pakistanis vote for their own tormentors, exploiters, persecutors, looters and deceivers … people who are ‘Angotha chaap Corrupt to core Waderas, Jageerdars, Pirs, Industrialists, shop-keepers, Sardars, and Brotherhood thugs. In short, voters vote non-equal thugs whom these voters serve all their life (cleaning their toilets), still show retarded mentality by expecting that these thugs would serve them when in power … how funny. :)

Most of these retarded voters do not even see how luxuriously and where leaders who they think would serve them live. Voters’ expectation to get served by their masters expecting their masters to serve them when in power is pinnacle of expectation … or emptiness of upper chamber.

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Well, you are right. All is part of politics in Pakistan. Every party in Pakistan try to take advantage of what they hold.

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Yea sub Pakistani logon ko beywaqoof bananay kay liya tha. If PMLN left PPP, then why PPP let PMLN keep ruling Punjab, as they had option to ditch PMLN in Punjab and join PMLQ to rule Punjab. But no, deal was that PPP would let PMLN rule Punjab and that is what they did. Do you know strength of PMLN in Punjab parliament?

Here is numbers in Punjab parliament (2008 election):

Total = 297 seats
To make government, party needed 148 members in Punjab assembly.

PMLN = 114

PPP = 82
PMLQ = 62

(PPP + PMLQ) = 144 (4 short of number required to make government in Punjab)

Ind = 34
MMA = 2
PMLF = 2
PMLZ = 1

With law that if any member does not tows the line of party leader then that member loses assembly seat, PPP with power in centre, it would have been no problem for PPP to form government in Punjab if they wanted to. They only had to ask PMLQ to support them, and that is all. If they had done that, PMLN (+ PPP) would have got out of power in Punjab and PPP + PMLQ would have got in.

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First of all it’s not 1997.. so wake up brother.. (There are more than a million votes casted to parties other than MQM in election 2013 in Karachi.. PTI alone got a share of more than 700,000)… The myth of MQM’s educated voters was totally broken during the recent elections as most of the educated class in Karachi voted for PTI..

Secondly who gives you a right to question the intelligence of Pakistani electorate by calling them retarded? They have shown maturity and have punished the non performers. They have shown with their wisdom that no political party is immortal.. if they don’t perform or change with time.. they will be shown political death..

MQM is no exception.. While we appreciate the middle class back ground of most of their parliamentarians.. we can not ignore the threatening attitude of the lifetime leader of this party who thinks threatening media and political opponents to submission will still work. If this attitude of the “British National” who who claims to be the life long leader of this regional political group does not change.. I am pretty sure the people of Karachi will make him a political non entity.. Unlike you I trust the wisdom of Karachi electorate which you think are just a herd of sheep following blindly a cult leader who continues to threat violence and break up of the country..

The honeymoon begins - Babar Sattar

What the PTI deserves credit for is the courage shown by its leaders and supporters in Karachi in face of threats of physical violence by Altaf Hussain. **It goes without saying that fascist tendencies implicit in pre-emptively justifying the likelihood of party workers losing their minds and savaging critics is neither legal nor acceptable in any civilised society. More importantly Pakistan has changed much over the last decade. Bellowing threats at all and sundry – political opponents, media, judges, establishment et el – is now counterproductive.

By the next election, technology alone will make it impossible to rig elections. With an independent media, a bold judiciary, a vocal civil society and continuity of democracy, the strategy of threatening opponents and critics into submission will no longer work. If there is any lesson in the treatment just meted out to the PPP, it is that a political party can nurture a sense of immortality only at its own peril. These are changing times and only those who change along with it will survive and thrive. It will be a shame if an urban middle class party such as the MQM cannot see the writing on the wall and reinvent itself.**

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It wasn't 1997 elections and voter turnout was 20% in Karachi when MQM boycotted. as compared to National average of around 40%. It means that even in a 'normalized' election where turnouts have been around 40%, MQM should get 20% of votes even if all the extra votes go for MQM. That is not the case, I'm sorry.

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Kaka you talking about national average! What is the normal average in previous elections in Karachi or current one?

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Im not sure exactly how much was it in Karachi but that figure would not be reliable anyways. MQM has always used coercion in Karachi elections. Here…

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are an independent observer’s comments. I am sure a Belgian observer was not bribed by Taliban in 2008 to write like that.

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Compare result of 1993 or earlier election with 1997 election, and situation would be obvious. In constituencies where winners use to get over 100,000 votes in earlier election, winners of 1997 got less than 10000 votes.

No doubt PTI has done quite good in 2013 election. Actually, votes of PPP, JI and most other parties fell to PTI. But nevertheless, Karachi constituencies are quite big, much bigger than constituencies at other places. It is obvious, as population of Karachi is ‘11 to 12’ percent of Pakistan, but Karachi only has around 7.5 percent NA seats (reason … unknown).

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Secondly who gives you a right to question the intelligence of Pakistani electorate by calling them retarded? They have shown maturity and have punished the non performers. They have shown with their wisdom that no political party is immortal.. if they don't perform or change with time.. they will be shown political death..
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Hmm … well, please read the situation and think why I called them mentally retards.

Let say, there was a group of people. In the group most were downtrodden people or servant class (classified as lower, lower-middle, middle, upper middle class) who could hardly meet their day to day expenses and had many problems in life. Nevertheless, in the group there were also elite or master class (big landlords, Jageerdars, Zamindars, Sardars, Industrialist, Rich, Influential, and so on). Poor downtrodden people were mostly workers of these elite class who had habit of exploiting, abusing and treating them like Sh*t.

One day poor in group decided that they need a community servant (Khadim-e-Aalla) who could serve them collectively and look after their interest. Servant job had some privileges and all started wanting to become servant, so group decided that they would elect their servant.

When election time came, people from elite class also jumped in for job of servant. That was fine, but unfortunate happened is that group (mostly poor voters) started electing the most notorious person from elite master class as servant.

Result: As expected. Elected servant used the position as license to further exploit, torment and abuse poor and vulnerable (most voters).

Whose fault: Poor in group or their Masters from privileged elite?

I think poor in group (voters) who decided to elect their master as servant and started expecting that their master would really start serving them and looking after their interest.

To me, no person with little intelligence would expect that masters (who are notorious in Pakistan anyhow) would start serving their servants just because they got elected to serve as servant. Actually, to me, only a mentally retard (voters who vote their masters to be their servant) could make such expectation.

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MQM is no exception.. While we appreciate the middle class back ground of most of their parliamentarians.. we can not ignore the threatening attitude of the lifetime leader of this party who thinks threatening media and political opponents to submission will still work. If this attitude of the "British National" who who claims to be the life long leader of this regional political group does not change.. I am pretty sure the people of Karachi will make him a political non entity.. Unlike you I trust the wisdom of Karachi electorate which you think are just a herd of sheep following blindly a cult leader who continues to threat violence and break up of the country..
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You are right, MQM is no exception. It was sad that they started waving bat in air, abusing and challenging their opponents, and threatening their opponents by calling names in abusive way and telling them that they would do their ‘phaitee’ (good beating) with the bat.

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No one said that MQM should get X % votes. There is no doubt that votes bank of a party can change with time and it happened many time in Karachi.

I was mentioning about one election that happened in 1993 (sorry that i put wrongly 1997 in my earlier post). In 1993 MQM boycotted NA election and turnout was not 20 percent but was probably less than 5 percent on MQM stronghold seats, and candidates on MQM strongholds with few thousand votes won seats. Anyhow, few days later in 1993 provincial assembly election MQM participated. Result was over 40 percent turnout on MQM strongholds and MQM candidates got over 100000 votes to win.

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Saleem bhai
1947 main MQM ko kitnay vote milay thay?

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Saleem, there is a hell lot of difference between MQM of 1997 & MQM of 2013. I am sure you are not oblivious of this fact.

On a separate note, COAS met NS today. Who will bet against Mushrraf flying out of pakistan before NS takes oath? :)

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it will be interesting to see who does something "tangible", something practical to stop Musharraf's expulsion. i don't think anyone except a select few (who are not in power) will try to move courts against it. for almost everyone in power, in center, in provinces, in judiciary, in military... getting rid of musharraf without hanging him will be a relief.

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I am not surprised by the idiot called Altaf Hussain.. I am surprised at educated people like you who actually listen to what he says and support him. The violence instigating filthy language hate monger who has nothing positive to his credit.. It takes a lot of patience to actually listen to this mentally retarded fully drunk terrorist at 2 a.m. threatening people with dire consequences..

Saleem bhai.. I advise you to get a life.. instead of this blind cult worshipping..

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there is no hung parliament because of establishment, otherwise PMLN could not have won more than 90 seats.