not much difference....
Re: Praying the Salafi way
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*Originally posted by pk taz: *
Salaam, I read some books on Salafi da’wah and I believe that there Aqeeda is correct.
Is the way they pray different from the Hanafi way?
Does anyone know of any books wrote by Salafi scholars on the five pillars?
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I think "salafi way" is same as "Shafii way".
Salfi, Wahabi, Ahle Hadith...different names same ideology.
pk taz I dont mean to sound rude, but do u consider your self better than Imam Abu Hanifa, in order to say that his Aqeeda wasnt sound enough. These salafis think that reading a few hadith from Sahih Bukhari is enough for one to become a Mujtahid.
Putar Imam Abu Hanifa knew these hadith like the back of his hand. Not only hadiths from Bukhari Shareef, but almost all other hadiths. Only after analyzing these hadiths, did he form, what is known now as the Hanafi Fiqh.
Just because the Salafis say Ameen aloud, or do the Rafadain, makes you come to the conclusion that their aqeeda is correct. Well for your information, there are many sub branches in the Hanafi fiqh itself, and many Hanafis from Egypt do the Rafadain. Its better to follow an imam rather than interpreting the hadiths yourself as they had more knowledge and understanding than we could ever dream off.
^ since the Imam's were only human and had no direct guidance from Allah, you are basically recommending everyone follow someone elses opinions and faith.. what if the Imam's made a mistake somewhere?? you end up importing it wholesale and on the Day of Judgement your excuse would sound as flimsy as the dog eating your homework..
I dont believe that for a second either. Islam didn't come in four streams (aka our school of thoughts) and we can choose to dip in either one. Those that derived rulings (i.e. the four imaams after whom we've named school of thoughts) were not infalliable.
^ I knew this was coming. Let me clarify.
Taqlid implies that one follows the rules laid down by a specific Islamic school of thought (madhab) entirely, regardless of whether one is aware of the evidences presented in favor of those rules or not.
The Mujtahid makes Ijtihad while the Muqallid makes Taqlid. Even if the Mujtahid makes a mistake he is rewarded as mentioned in Bukhari, Vol. 1 p. I1092.
So according to the hadith, even if the four imams were wrong in their interpretation they will be rewarded. As for a person who speaks without knowledge, he is a sinner, even if he just happens to get the answer right. This is because his answer, if it happens to be correct, is only correct by virtue of coincidence and has nothing to do with the dictates of Islamic Law.
Read this debate between a Salfi and Sheik Buti–leading Shafi scholar.
http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/madhab/madhab-debate.htm
*Originally posted by lunaticCalm: *
^ I knew this was coming. Let me clarify.
Taqlid implies that one follows the rules laid down by a specific Islamic school of thought (madhab) entirely, regardless of whether one is aware of the evidences presented in favor of those rules or not.
Where does Allah swt say to be muqallid? Prophet Mohammed PBUH said it? By the salafi people also follow someone who in turn was follower of Imam Shafii (I think).
The Mujtahid makes Ijtihad while the Muqallid makes Taqlid. Even if the Mujtahid makes a mistake he is rewarded as mentioned in Bukhari, Vol. 1 p. I1092.
It will be nice to paste that referred paragraph/sentence here since everyone does not have the book you are referring to.
…As for a person who speaks without knowledge, he is a sinner, even if he just happens to get the answer right. This is because his answer, if it happens to be correct, is only correct by virtue of coincidence and has nothing to do with the dictates of Islamic Law.
WHATTT??? even if his answer is right he is a sinner??? 
Salafi, wahabi, hanafi...................
Why do we even use these words? Call yourselves followers of Muhammad (saw) and thats it! Stop dividing Muslims further. Do we have to call ourselves a muqalid?
All the imams were ways of reaching to what the Prophet (saw) practiced. For e.g the Prophet (saw) did rafayadain and also did not. So both ways are ok. Do as you wish.
The point i wanna make is that we do not have to say that we are followers of such and such. Just follow the Quran and Sunnah. Why can't we be simple Muslims?
Please explain the meaning of "rafayadeen"
Since all four schools of thought are authentic, can we follow what is known as the eclectic approach?
While there are a host of differences, what are those major ones that divide the MAlaki and Shafi from others? (the JAfraia and Hanafia and to an extent the Shafi being pretty well known)
We believe in the sunah ,hence ehla sunat
We believe in the hadith hence the word ahle hadith
WHat I want to know is what are those 16 ahadith/hadiths that are known to be authentic by a select group. What I mean is that once someone told me that she believes in those 16 hadiths that are not doubted and are deemed to be authentic. (there can be more, I might be wrong) and hence she told me a particular name for those. Does anyone of you have an idea regarding that.
luncaticCalm 
yar unfortunately thats a very weak defense. Its like saying that all doors of research were closed at that time. Infact neither of the imaams of ahlus sunnah, (PICK ANY IMAAMS!! whether from the first century, or from the current one) have asked us to follow something without evidence.
Do you realize that this promotes maulvi culture??
Your local maulvi could teach you anything (and since you trust him, and since he’s hanafi/shafi etc), you would listen to him. Isn’t our deen our own responsibility? Then how can we ever follow whatever is being told to us? Infact, research is an integral part of ‘following the truth’. blind adherence to whatever local maulvi says doesn’t make sense at all.
Re: ramadan al buti, i really prefer not getting into debates such as these and throwing mud over personalities and beliefs, anyhow please read the FULL transcript of that debate here: http://islaam.net/display/display.php?id=213&category=19
Assalamo alaikum
I would like to make the following points with regards to the brothers statements.
Taqlid implies that one follows the rules laid down by a specific Islamic school of thought (madhab) entirely, regardless of whether one is aware of the evidences presented in favor of those rules or not.
This is 100% correct as either one is a mujtahid or a muqalid. The mujtahid can be either:
1)Mujtahid mutlaq ie unrestricted scholar who can deduce rules for any subject matter e.g. marriage, inheritance, economics, political etc
or
- Mujtahid masala ie he/she can deduce rules in a certain area and uses already deduced principles
The muqallid can be categorised into 2, they are
1)muqallid ammi, who is someone who does not know the evidences but performs taqleed ie imitation which is allowed in Islam
or
- Muqallid mutabia, who is someone who takes the rule/s and understanding the evidence and how the rule was extracted.
Obviously the second of the muqallid is better as he increases his understanding of islam whereas the second takes the ruling based on trust.
So according to the hadith, even if the four imams were wrong in their interpretation they will be rewarded. As for a person who speaks without knowledge, he is a sinner, even if he just happens to get the answer right. This is because his answer, if it happens to be correct, is only correct by virtue of coincidence and has nothing to do with the dictates of Islamic Law.
accurate again. The brothers view is actually supported by a hadith where the Prophet (saw) clearly said that “whoever interprets the Quran without knowledge, even if he is correct he will face the fire” This was something known throughout the islamic history.
One cannot directly access Quran and Hadith and form his judgement on it as deduction of rules require the indepth knowledge of ,
the arabic language,
the knowledge of abrogated hadith and ayahs,
the ability to diffentiate between literal and metaphor,
whether the ayah/hadith is aam (general) or khass (specific),
whether the ayah/hadith is mutlaq (unrestricted) or muqayyad (restricted) and so many other things.
This requires a great deal of knowledge which takes time and someone who just reads a hadith and knows a few ayats is not qualified for this and this was a condition laid down by the classical scolars.
However this does not mean that one should remain a muqallid but rather he/she should look to expand his knowledge and become of those whom Allah (swt) blesses and whom Allah (swt) called the inheritors of the Prophet.
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*Originally posted by Islamabad: *
Salafi, wahabi, hanafi...................
Why do we even use these words? Call yourselves followers of Muhammad (saw) and thats it! Stop dividing Muslims further. Do we have to call ourselves a muqalid?
All the imams were ways of reaching to what the Prophet (saw) practiced. For e.g the Prophet (saw) did rafayadain and also did not. So both ways are ok. Do as you wish.
The point i wanna make is that we do not have to say that we are followers of such and such. Just follow the Quran and Sunnah. Why can't we be simple Muslims?
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Amen, my hometown brotha man! Well said.
Okay let me tell it like it is. MashaAllah. Bohoth achi baath kee.
Just be muslims and follow the Sunnah as far as the salat is concerned. Islam was concluded at Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) so the way he prayed should be the way we pray.
Assalamuallykum:
Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds; Most Gracious, Most Merciful; Master of the Day of Judgment. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek. Show us the straight way,
The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.
The Quran condemns all sects. All sects in Islam, have disagreements about hadith and sunnah attributed to the prophet. However, these same sects have no disagreements about the Quran.
These sects of Islam follow sources and religious scholars blindly, instead of the Quran in which this is what Allah says about sects or creation of sects.
[6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with
you. Their judgment rests with Allah, then He will inform
them of everything they had done.
30:32 like those who divide
their religion into sects; each party rejoicing with what
they have.
[42:14] Ironically, they broke up into sects only after the
knowledge had come to them, due to jealousy and
resentment among themselves. If it were not for a
predetermined decision from your Lord to respite them for
a definite interim, they would have been judged
immediately. Indeed, the later generations who inherited
the scripture are full of doubts.
We need to be very careful. These sects follow sources and religious scholars blindly, instead of the Quran. It is clearly stated in the Quraan, how Allah sees these sects and condemns them.
May Allah guide us to his true path
fe aman Allah
your brother in Islam