Is there any reference which clearly states that salat should only be in Arabic?
References only from Holy Quran and Hadees. Thank you.
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This is the tradition of Islam that everyone has to recite Quran and dua'as in Arabic in salaat.
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Thats what I think but I could be wrong. I am not interested in traditions. Mehndi in our Pakistani weddings are also tradition. I need reference.
Thanx.
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I don't think there's any reference in sayings of the Prophet(SAW) or Quran but in Islamic History all the converted people from any part of the world prayed in Arabic.
Sorry can't help more with that.
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I think it a grand conspiracy to Arabanise (lol dont know if this is a right word) the whole humankind.
No probs, lets see where this take me.
I think it a grand conspiracy to Arabanise (lol dont know if this is a right word) the whole humankind.
No probs, lets see where this take me.
No I don't think if that's the case because Quranic Arabic is not what Arabs speak. Quranic Arabic is quite different to Syrian or Egyptian Arabic and even Arabs have to learn Quran from scholars to gain the understanding.
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^However Arabs gain special political mileage from it.
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Pray in chinese if you like, but at least pray. I am sure Allah understands Chinese.
No biggie there.
But why worry if it is in arabic?
What benefit do arabs have from you praying in arabic or not ?
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Fayax: Translations can have different words in them, even in the same language. Considering the varied languages around the in the world, if everyone was translating the words of Quran and then the salaat, the salaat being offered would be very different starting right from Allahu-Akbar and then Surah Fatiha.
Consider the different translations of a few scholars here and then imagine the differences that would be arise if the permissibility of offering salat in any other language other than Arabic existed.
There are various scholars (<–not very wise ones) that say things to the contrary, but changing the way certain things are meant to be means surely changing Islam the way it is. Even Allah will be translated to GOD if translations are allowed.
We follow (or try to follow) all aspects of Hazrat Mohammad (saw) life and action to the best we can. Salaat is something we learned from him driectly and should not be changed.
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Walaqad yassarna alqurana lilththikri fahal min muddakirin
YUSUFALI: And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
PICKTHAL: And in truth We have made the Qur’an easy to remember; but is there any that remembereth?
SHAKIR: And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?
Here is my statement (and feel free to chastise me if you wish)
Allah has said in many places in the Quran to be steadfast to your prayers (usually followed by commanding charity).
The word used in the Quran at least in one place is as follows: (Yohafizoon)
وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ عَلَى صَلَاتِهِمْ يُحَافِظُونَ {34}](http://www.wisemuslim.com/quran-section/41-quran-in-arabic/1656-070-al-maarij-the-ascending-stairways-/#70:34)
070.034 Waallatheena hum AAala salatihim yuhafithoona
YUSUFALI: And those who guard (the sacredness) of their worship;-
PICKTHAL: And those who are attentive at their worship.
SHAKIR: And those who keep a guard on their prayer,
You cannot guard something if you keep translating it!
SO if the same word used for the ones who memorize the quran (i.e. Hafiz, in Arabic is used for Quran) then why not ‘protect’ your salat in the same way you protect Quran since most of the Salat comes directly from Quran anyway.
Hope this helps people comes to their own conclusion. Personally I never needed an explanation or proof from Quran or Hadith to believe that salat should always be performed in Arabic.
Also a point to note is that a book that containts only a translation (or meanings of Quran) and not the Arabic is NOT considered the Quran. So along the same lines a Salat which is mainly from the Quran can only be in Arabic or it would not be real salaat.
Found this by googling…
Why Is Salat in Arabic Only?
The simple answer is that the Qur’an was revealed in Arabic and not one verse (Ayah) has been changed since its revelation. The form of Salat is taken from the example of Prophet Muhammad, pbuh. One of the requirements for the Salat to be valid is that Surat-Al-Fatiha be recited in every Raka (prayer cycle). Surat-Al-Fatiha is the opening chapter of the Qur’an and is, of course, in Arabic. It is revealed within the Qur’an itself that it is an “Arabic Qur’an”.
^However Arabs gain special political mileage from it.
How so?
Exactly my point Diwana, Allah knows our hearts and minds. Our intentions are more important than the traditions. Chinese, mexican, english or urdu who cares as long as we do what is required.
Worry because I dont know what I am praying, I am just parroting what is being learnt, is my heart in it - No. I am just doing my obligation without any conviction. Conviction comes only when I know what I am doing and with my own accord.
The easy answer would be why not learn Arabic. The easier answer would be why I was not born Arab then.
Arab have benefit of the language as they understand exactly what they are supposed to do. As I said earlier probably in another thread, I feel as if Islam is tailor made for Arabs and their culture and now everyone has to try to become an Arab to be closer to God.
My self respect failed to agree with that. I am what I am. I refuse to become somebody else. God knows my intentions and thats what I care for.
Ok the salat would be different, so what? In a different language it is supposed to be different. Is God interested in mere words what is being uttered? Are we just keeping a tradition alive?
What is the difference between Allah and God? I find none, and I use them interchangably depending on my mood, God has not asked me to call him only Allah. That was decided by someone else.
Sure dude no argument, you have your thinking and I have my own. 
God has promised to protect His words himself for all generation, I don’t think He requires our help in the matter.
Why not Fayax thats the whole point? Sorry bro not satisfied with your explanations. A lion is a lion in any other language or atleast bites the same no matter what someone decides to call it.
I guess the reason that there is no change in Quran is because God is protecting it. Not because we mere mortal have decided to follow traditions. We are too weak to even consider that we can protect something.
All muslims are so much in love with arab culture that they dont even see when something wrong is done. A very few handful of people realise what the arab governments are doing with other muslims, majority just loves them because Prophet was an arab. Example look at our own leaders, they perfectly well know how Pakistanis are treated in these countries and what do they do. I will use Saudi as an example how many times have you heard of any protest against them from Pakistani people or government. Never. Saudi nay jo kaha sahi kaha.
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^There are hypocrites and racists in every community and I condemn them fully.
As for Arabic, it is our religious language that keeps us united and you cannot understand the deen without learning the Scripture's language. You're right that it is our intention that counts and my intention is that I'm following a Prophetic tradition because I love him.
Also, the beauty of recitation that comes with the original language and it cannot be found in other languages.
Jews also pray in original language and that proves that it's also the tradition of Abrahamic Religions. Christians started to translate their Scriptures and now they have completely lost the original languge as well as the message.
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Logical reason why translation from Arabic is not allowed in prayers that lets say I translate the Quran to English. Now you want to pray in Urdu, you will not got to the source, rather may use my translation to translate in Urdu and then someone will use yours to translate in Punjabi ..
Very soon you will have a Bengali version of Quran that has nothing to do with the original text.
This is a major reason why Bible and other holy books could not keep their originality because they were lost in translation.
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Is there any reference which clearly states that salat should only be in Arabic?
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App salal Allaho alyhi waslam nay fermaya
*namaz perho jaisai main perhta hoon *
is say berh ker koi reference hai ?
^There are hypocrites and racists in every community and I condemn them fully.
As for Arabic, it is our religious language that keeps us united and you cannot understand the deen without learning the Scripture's language. You're right that it is our intention that counts and my intention is that I'm following a Prophetic tradition because I love him.
Also, the beauty of recitation that comes with the original language and it cannot be found in other languages.
Jews also pray in original language and that proves that it's also the tradition of Abrahamic Religions. Christians started to translate their Scriptures and now they have completely lost the original languge as well as the message.
To be devils advocate. Arabic did not keep us united. There are many sects among Muslims , is that sign of unity ? Muslim countries waged wars against other Muslim countries is that sign of unity ? Muslim ummah does not have consensus on major issues of the world , is that sense of unity ?
Beauty of recitation is not a requirement for salaat. Is it ? What if someone has speech disability ? His salaat will not be valid ? Also even many Arabs lack the beauty of recitation.
All the tradition of Abrahamic religions are not mandated for us to follow.
Logical reason why translation from Arabic is not allowed in prayers that lets say I translate the Quran to English. Now you want to pray in Urdu, you will not got to the source, rather may use my translation to translate in Urdu and then someone will use yours to translate in Punjabi ..
Very soon you will have a Bengali version of Quran that has nothing to do with the original text.
This is a major reason why Bible and other holy books could not keep their originality because they were lost in translation.
That makes a lot of sense.
But as per Allah's promise Quran will always remain in its original form so anybody can always revert to Quran in Arabic and correct the mistakes made in translation. No ?
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App salal Allaho alyhi waslam nay fermaya
*namaz perho jaisai main perhta hoon *
is say berh ker koi reference hai ?
Kiya baat hai P_G aap kee .. eik jumlay main poori behes samait dee. Jazakallah.
That makes a lot of sense. But as per Allah's promise Quran will always remain in its original form so anybody can always revert to Quran in Arabic and correct the mistakes made in translation. No ?
Exactly your point. Allah promised to save the original form of Quran in the original form. When it comes to translation, who is going to set standards on whose translation is right?
Just in indo-pak, scholars of different fiqh/school of thought point out faults in each other's translations. I can give you examples. Quran in its original form is the only text on which everyone agrees upon.
If someone has learning disability and cannot learn Arabic , should he perform it in his/her language which he/she learned from his/her surrounding ? Or not perform at all since that person has a learning disability ?
To be devils advocate. Arabic did not keep us united. There are many sects among Muslims , is that sign of unity ? Muslim countries waged wars against other Muslim countries is that sign of unity ? Muslim ummah does not have consensus on major issues of the world , is that sense of unity ?
Beauty of recitation is not a requirement for salaat. Is it ? What if someone has speech disability ? His salaat will not be valid ? Also even many Arabs lack the beauty of recitation.
All the tradition of Abrahamic religions are not mandated for us to follow.
That makes a lot of sense. But as per Allah's promise Quran will always remain in its original form so anybody can always revert to Quran in Arabic and correct the mistakes made in translation. No ?
At least Muslims can pray together without any difference of race and language behind one imam. Now we have shia and sunni mosques but then we'll have Urdu, English, punjabi, bengali, tamil, kashmiri etc mosques. If you divide the Muslims like that there is 0% chances for unity.
Quranic verses usually rhyme together and that is an aspect of it's beauty. We are told to recite Quran with *tartil *(no matter how bad voice you have).
But we have their example and we can see that it didn't work for Christians and Jews.