Re: Prayers In The Direction Of Kaaba
Dude, he wants to argue from the text of the Quran. The Quran uses the word Qiblah - take your argument from there, because if you pull in hadith, your argument will fail to grasp his attention.
If he's saying its not in the Quran, but it is, then spend ur time showing him that it IS.
PCG's rule ONE of argumentation
Re: Prayers In The Direction Of Kaaba
^
:) atleast make some sense next time.
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Like, are u kidding me?
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Yes :D
Re: Prayers In The Direction Of Kaaba
The kabah is hardly an idol, as it itself is not worshiped. Theologically, the question if the Kabah had been damaged or destroyed would Namaz be nullified has always been answered in the negative. The Kabah is simply a focul point, and it’s structure is tangential to the actual act of prayer.
The Quranic objection to Idolators are to all who ascribe partners to God, or even shape and form.
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Dear brother,
PA , Thanx for undrstanding me that I m a (New Muslim) but Plz call me reverted Muslim because every born Human is a Muslim. I am pasting a link here ,Plz read this Believe It or Not: You were Born Muslim
http://english.islamway.com/bindex.php?section=article&id=301
Now as u said I m a reverted Muslim and I should read the Ayah properly. Well I agree with u and I would like to reply is that, Hoozoor was always accompanied by Zibarel AS and was guided by Zibraeel AS . Hozoor was the best person to tell us where v should face while praying. While reading Quran u feel some clarification is needed , the best way is look for what Mohammed SAS used to do.
It has come 700 Times (as I heard in Q TV yesterday) in Quran NAMAZ KAYAM KARO, but nowhere is how to recite Namaz . Hozoor has shown us the way.
Re: Prayers In The Direction Of Kaaba
In this respect you don't even need to look at what the Rasul did. The ayah is self-explanatory. It tells you in which direction to pray. Note the use of the word Qiblah.
Really people. Why are we making such a simple thing so complicated?
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well do u think the Arabic word Qiblah means prayers? why the association of the word with prayers?
‘Qiblah’ means ‘direction’ or ‘focal point’ .. it doesn’t mean ‘prayers’ .. we can’t force meanings on words in the Qur’an when they aren’t there in the context or the verse.
Re: Prayers In The Direction Of Kaaba
Yes, it means direction toward which you face in worship. The arabic has to be taken in context and with the use of the word at that time.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but check out the Tafsir.
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Murtis are not god either. No hindu thinks that the murti is GOD. where do you mohammedans get such stuff?
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AQ what kind of malabari translation is that? can u please show me the source?
لَّيْس…َ الْبِر…َّ أَن = “It is not” … “the righteousness” … “that”
where is this “the only” you’re inserting on your own?
where is it? where are prayers mentioned in this context?
AQ bhaijaan it’s not Qibla it’s Qibla(t) there is a difference.. the one you talk about does mean ‘in front’ the one that’s being used here is ‘direction’ or ‘focal point’.
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What's a murti?
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No actually for this one, let’s just use our own head for a change rather than let someone else put ideas into it.
Where do u see the context of prayer? what verse, word, preceeding or following this verse indicates we’re talking ‘direction toward which you face in worship’?
once gain.. try understanding it on your own for once.. it’ll be really refreshing.
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Murti is an idol.
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Guys, this is all just a big misunderstanding. The objection was to a specific group of idolators and not to idols and certainly not to all idol worshippers. God is not stupid enough to ignore substance AND form.
Re: Prayers In The Direction Of Kaaba
Its part of the word "Qiblah". Duh.
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what's part of the word "Qiblah" ? do u even know what you're talking about now or are u arguing for the sake of it?
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Qiblah by definition as the word was used in that time period, means direction of prayer.
Have u read the interpretations of the verse and the historical context of it. You must take historical context of word usage, in order to understand the meaning of the words. With time, meanings of words can change. They also change with context of the verses. Have u posted the context? No. Have u looked up any tafsir? No. Have u looked up the history to see how the word "Qiblah" was used in those days? No.
If you want to make claims like that then the onus is on your to provide proof.
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PA: there are very fundamental differences with how you understand an ayah and how it is understood by muslims for last 1400 years.
For example:
A normal tafsir of Quran; however, take an ayah and then interprets it based on all the other relevent ayahs (meaning taking “ideas” from other ayah), hence focusing on the context than an out of context understanding.
Take an example of the same ayah 2:177 in discussion. I remember reading the context of it with the ayah about Change of Qiblah when many jews who had become muslims felt doubts in their heart about change of Qiblah because of the historic and religious importance of Bait Al Maqdas, ayah 2:177 was revealed. And with that, it makes all sense.
For you, this ayah is just an ayah without any relevence to anyother ayah of Quran. Good for you 
[Oh and to answer you query of Qibla vs Qibal(t) .. I am sorry to say that in Qibla(t) when read alone, the “taa” or “tay(of urdu)” changes the sound to “haa” so Qibla(h) is correct and you are still wrong.]
Re: Prayers In The Direction Of Kaaba
Anwar Q: You know arabic better than I do - doesn't the term "Qiblah" mean literally a place to which you direct your prayers (at least one definition) as commonly understood by an arab at that time?
Like today, if you were to mention the word Qiblah, the meaning literally that I would take would be "the direction of prayer".