PPP Vs establishment.

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PPP Vs Railway
PPP Vs PIA
PPP Vs Steel-mill
(we know the winner)

Jahan do eenteen rakh do.. PPP jonnkeen pohnc jaeyeen gi… to suck out money…

Pakistan owe them.. some thing…

woh deemak hoti hy na… ek lakri ky structure ko mati a dher bana ker hi chorti hy,

I think if you have to find most retard group of pak society, just PPP jyalaas…

merty pecha naheen chorty…

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So the hero of PPP are hero because establishment don't like them ???

Who F-in like you ????? I hate you ....
We made zia leader ...... We made nawaz a leader
Just so we can save country for your filthy hands...

Don't go to as far establishment... say some thing like....
PPP is a anti peoples party... We give our lives so we can stand against people of pakistan... and screw them dry,.,

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Mian Azhar
Masood Shareef
Shah Mahmood Qureshi
Shafqat Mahmood
Pervez Khattak
and today
Nawabzada Khawaja Muhammad Khan Hoti
All from PPP
So PTI become Ty.... of PPP

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PPP ki govt aaty hi humary sheher sy gun point per car theft shorow ho jati hy..
who ever want his car back have to speak to a famous PPP mna from a close by town.

Kis ko Bulshyt deany ki koshish kerrty heen aap??? establishment ka tarana ga ker????

We personally HATE PPP ..... really!!!! take you mouth of cookie jar and figure things with people first....

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Pasha sb, with all due respect .....

are you out of your mind????? your party sucked blood out every thing which could have been called an institute....

and you reason is this

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Mian Azhar
Masood Shareef
Shah Mahmood Qureshi
Shafqat Mahmood
Pervez Khattak
and today
Nawabzada Khawaja Muhammad Khan Hoti
All from PPP
So PTI become Ty.... of PPP

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PPP has a monopoly over Pakistan. It's their basic right and if anyone opposes it then always remember Mohatarma Shaheed Benazir Bhutto and Shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's *sacrifices *for Pakistan. Only the Bhutto's and Zardari's have the right to rule Pakistan, the rest of Pakistanis are second class citizens.

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Only PPP and its leaders being persecuted severly even killed. No other political tonga party b-team of army has ever suffered. Name any as compared to PPP. Therefore they have full right and monopoly over Pakistan.

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^ PPP should then politically fight with those forces that persecuted or killed its leaders. Why **** millions of innocent Pakistanis every day? I understand 'democracy is the best revenge' thing, but taking revenge from civilians who voted for a 'democratic' government is going a little overboard, no?

P.S. I am sorry if Monk's sentiments emotionally hurt those who were inducted into PIA or Railways or Steel Mills or similar institutions through PPP's jobs creation program.

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What are you talking about? Which democracy. Pakistan is still ruled by Kyani and Pasha. Zardari and PPP is only there for bashing due to ill actions by these two powerful guys. Right from begining kery-lugar bill to raymond affair to killing of OBL, not signing the deal with Iran, normalisation of ties with India etc all controlled by these two guys. Tell me where is democracy???????

Don't worry IK will face the same music, I pray he should come to Pakistani seat of power and see how he will be humiliated and kicked out. yehi log jo is ko lay aaiangay, oar yehi is ko zalil kar ke bahir karangay. That is unfortunate history of Pakistani leadership.

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PPP under Zardari is the worst thing that has happened to Pakistan. Even a 10 year old kid knows that these vultures have eaten Pakistan's roots, yet unfortunately these vultures doesn't seem prepared to leave Pakistan...........they want to suck the last drop of blood out of Pakistan. Pakistani nation has also become used to daily **** and I suspect they enjoy it .

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Right aur monopoly to bandy ki apny gher per bhi hoti hy....
per tum PPP ko yeah samajh meen naheen aaye ga

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Kyani pakistan bowed down to pakistans most weak and corrupt Govt.
He went to meet them went to parliament, did not slap you thieves around.

ab kia tum logon ko dhooty dy dy ???

PPP ko ek hi tarana aata hy..... establishment.... establishment....

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yes, please tell me. They are taking revenge from Pakistanis even when they could not secure democracy!

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So you are suggesting that all the ills of the country are on the shoulders of army… and army is the decision maker in every thing bad which happens in Pakistan. If that is the case why don’t they just resign and go to the people and tell them the truth. Who is stoping them to give good governance to the country. Who has stopped them to control corruption in the country. Who has given extension to Pasha and Kiyani duo (not that they are angels).. who has stopped them to put some competent people to run the affairs. People voted of PPP and they do not accept this victim mentality to answer this gross incompetence… they want to see solutions..!!!

PPP versus democracy

Mehreen Zahra-Malik
Saturday, December 17, 2011

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It’s too easy right now to find a villain in the headlines. Consigliere Babar Awan who may just represent the worst of what the PPP has come to stand for: a specialist in crisis, the unnecessary provocateur. Rehman Malik, the tawdry character who explodes now and again with some puzzling statement that capsizes all hitherto knowns. Husain Haqqani about whom no one’s quite yet sure if he’s more evil or more genius. The prime minister as a one-man PR-machine for the government’s raison d’être: complete term – governance, democracy, heck, Pakistan, be damned.

And then there’s Zardari, the kooky president. In him the spirit of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto has descended with the clarity of revelation. Who, rumour has it, President Obama doesn’t like talking to because, well, he can’t understand him anymore.

Zardari’s been called crazy before – crazy like a fox, that is – but this seems to be a different, more portentous kind of craziness. Should we be worried? Yes. But not for Rehman Malik or Babar Awan. Or Haqqani. Or the Prez. We should be concerned for the PPP which has collectively lost its path, and for Pakistan, which is fast becoming a tavern where madness is sold by the bottle.

This government wants to complete its term. Great idea. Never been done before. But is that enough?

Lest anyone get it wrong, this is not in any way a statement against democratic continuity. A nail is driven out by another nail. Habit is overcome by habit and democracy may just be the best habit in politics. Certainly, the goal is to make democracy the ‘only game in town’ – to reach a point when no one can imagine acting outside democratic institutions; when all the losers want to do is to try again and through the same mechanisms (elections, for instance) under which they just lost.

In essence, to have a majority of people accept that democracy is the best form of government, such that not only does nobody try to change the regime, nobody particularly wants to either. That is the goal.

Is that the case in Pakistan? Here, we have main opposition parties that oppose all kinds of democratic reforms. When they lose elections they look to the military, and now the judiciary, for help. Avenues other than the people’s mandate are routinely pursued. Violence in Karachi – should the army be called in? Memogate – will the army intervene to protect the country’s sovereignty? NRO verdict – will the robes use the uniforms to help with enforcement?

Elections, in essence, are not everything; one could even argue that they’re secondary. What’s primary is to convince everyone involved – the opposition, army, the public and media – that democracy is not a game at which they will constantly lose. What’s primary is to institutionalise the instabilities, tensions and lack of consensus that are the hallmark of transition.

Institutionalised uncertainty – that is the goal.

Where this government has failed most terribly, then, is in convincing everyone that democracy is – has to be – the only game in town. Completing the term, successive elections, orderly transition of power – all this is under threat when people fundamentally question the utility of voicing their dissent through the ballot.

The Zardari government’s miserable lack of interest in governance has put democracy – as an idea – in question. It’s made democracy a laughingstock. ‘Completing the term’ has increasingly come to be seen as blackmail elevated to the level of democracy – possibly the world’s worst leaders using buzzwords like ‘process’ and ‘system’ and ‘continuity’ to blackmail, even gently threaten, us into not quitting the game.

For some, it’s painfully simple: who cares about elections and democracy when this government has put the country itself in danger? Elections as catharsis? No thank you, they’ll say. It’s the same deck of cards. No matter how many times you shuffle it, there will still be the same four Jokers. Why bother?

So here’s the challenge: how to convince people that the government completing its terms could enhance the democratic project.

From the looks of it, it’s a challenge the government is least interested in taking up. Instead, it’s decided to go the lowest common denominator route. On the memo. On relations with the outside world. On the economy. On corruption. On the judiciary – for all problems that confront it, this is the PPP’s response: democracy is under threat.** Anti-democratic forces don’t want us to complete our term. PPP versus the world. After all, playing victim is an easier option than developing some grand new ideas or policies.**

So thank you PPP. The guardians of the transition to democracy, you’ve done an excellent job of making us question the very idea of democracy. It’s hard not to conclude now that dysfunction is your goal – even if the cost is democracy itself.

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^^^^^^

I agree, If he could not fire top generals and corp commanders during kery-lugar opposing, he should have resigned immediately. I have no idea why PPP has chosen this weak person as President in presnce of many capable people available.

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Sachay Ada! good to see you active once again.

PPP is in somewhat cyclical dilemma. On one side its a general perception that PPP voters will not accept anyone not related to Bhutto family on top slot and on the other side people related to Bhutto family keep on exploiting this assumption be it Mumtaz Bhutto in past or Zardari clan now. Even today PPP no doubt has good leaders, but they have been sidelined which caused deterioration of PPP's popularity.

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Alright, so it is Kayani and Pasha who appoint railway minister who already has a transportation business (don't cry about Zia), it is Kayani and Pasha who tell government to appoint incompetent ministers like Rahman Malik, it is Kayani and Pasha who tell government to not solve electricity problems, it is Kayani and Pasha telling government to not collect taxes properly.... this a very short list of Kayani and Pasha telling government what to do and what not to....

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These guys right from begining created hurdles for the government since start. Read my post again. This government mostly dealt with the threats of coup and conspiracies all the times. They have created so much problems that this government had no time to deal with the real issues. No government can function in such circumtances. I have no clue how this government is surviving????Practically it is a dysfunctional government due to environment created by military top brass and interference by CJ even in simple matters.

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I'm very sure Kiyani had Zardari on gun point while signing the rental power projects deal.

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Can you name a few?