I don’t get it. After reading through several responses here it looks like people are supporting PMLN and PPP based on being Punjabi or not. I think such political polarity is bad for the country, because PMLN is one of the biggest parties of Pakistan. And it is better if it remains a naitonal party instead of becoming a political one.
My opposition to PMLN is based on Nawaz’s inclination toward Taliban and relgio-political parties. I think that today the gravest threat being faced by country is from Talibanization, and Nawaz is not suitable to lead the fight against them.
^ he was not supposed to lead the fight against taliban anyways! Did he ask for prime ministership?
He ran for elections based on a promise. So did PPP. PPP broke the promise many times and he is protesting against it. Did he ask for ministries? Presidency? Give us what we voted for, and enjoy your government. That's about it.
when one political party's core support base lies in a single province that kind of dynamic is hard to avoid.
there are good reasons to hate and oppose nawaz, and him being punjabi or having his principal support in punjab shouldnt be one of them. That said, PML needs to broaden its support base. better yet we need a better political party with a broader support base, but then thats sadly not happening is it.
It can't be a punjabi-non punjabi thing. The PPP has 107 seats in the Punjab assembly, vs 170 for the PML-N, out of 370 in total (PP = 28% , PML-N = 45%)
In other words, only 17% more Punjabis support the PML-N than the PPP .
That number is still too small to say it's a Punjabi vs non-Punjabi issue. More than 1 in every 4 Punjabis is a PPP supporter.
Well, I have no problem with Punjabis etc. because I think the policies of federal government effect the whole country. It does not matter who is in government. We can not live in islands within Pakistan and expect to develop.
Development comes in the whole country when it comes. It is not possible to develop just selected places.
What is important is the policies. And I am doubtful about Nawaz's ability to fight Taliban. Like I said, this is the graves threat to country today, not India. (India in the long run, Taliban in short term.)
I don't get it. After reading through several responses here it looks like people are supporting PMLN and PPP based on being Punjabi or not. I think such political polarity is bad for the country, because PMLN is one of the biggest parties of Pakistan. And it is better if it remains a naitonal party instead of becoming a political one.
My opposition to PMLN is based on Nawaz's inclination toward Taliban and relgio-political parties. I think that today the gravest threat being faced by country is from Talibanization, and Nawaz is not suitable to lead the fight against them.
I kinda agree with you, supporting NS is becoming provinicially polarised whilst it should've been based on what he stands for. His acts are now getting aligned with Taliban, he himself is a closet Taliban supporter. He is inciting people towards civil disobedience and "inqilaab".
^ he was not supposed to lead the fight against taliban anyways! Did he ask for prime ministership?
He ran for elections based on a promise. So did PPP. PPP broke the promise many times and he is protesting against it. Did he ask for ministries? Presidency? Give us what we voted for, and enjoy your government. That's about it.
NS could've asked for Prime Ministership had Mushy not got him disqualified from holding public office in first place. Zardari is playing cunning politics with him, he first played Mushy now playing Nawaz Sharif the same way. How can you fall for a promise of a criminal?
It can't be a punjabi-non punjabi thing. The PPP has 107 seats in the Punjab assembly, vs 170 for the PML-N, out of 370 in total (PP = 28% , PML-N = 45%)
In other words, only 17% more Punjabis support the PML-N than the PPP .
That number is still too small to say it's a Punjabi vs non-Punjabi issue. More than 1 in every 4 Punjabis is a PPP supporter.
PML-N has become more of a Punjabi thing probably because NS once shouted slogan of "jaag Punjabi" (??) and probably PML-Q splitting didn't do any favors. PPP though is present in Punjab but is looked at mainly Sindhi political party.
So if a PPP leader from Punjab shouts 'Jaag Punjab', or 'wake up punjab', hes becoming a Punjabi thing? lol
PML[N] had more than 2/3rd majority OVERALL in 1996 after losing an election, and I think they're quite capable of doing that, if the army wants them to. Keep in mind the PPP got a total of 20 or so seats OVERALL in that election, and most of them were from Sindh. Now they got seats all over Pakistan. Its simple, they were in tatters before this election, and are now getting the time and publicity they need to go all out.
Also, what are your thoughts about the 'Jiye Mohajir' naarey baazi during the muttehda rallies, by its chief and his lieutenants.
why is MQM relevant here Data? Lets not get defensive and derail every thread into the same party-bazi.
PML used to have a broader base. They were never big in Sindh as far as I remember, but atleast competetive in NWFP and Balochistan. I dont see that dynamic changing in the present atleast, but they need to broaden it in order to avoid being pegged as representative of just one ethnic group.
Please Ask them to not to break Pakistan again. This time Pakistan as a country not able to face an internal threat. Actually N$ with his **7 **seats in Senate see no future in democracy so he need a martial law to born again.
He is the man who is a hardle in restoration of C J Iftekhar. He showed Iftekhar as his man.
why is MQM relevant here Data? Lets not get defensive and derail every thread into the same party-bazi.
It is, Jaag Punjab and Jiyey Mohajir are perfect analogies. You cant discuss or validate one parties actions without bringing in other examples, and since MQM is the only ethnic party in the country, it should be pertinent.
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PML used to have a broader base. They were never big in Sindh as far as I remember, but atleast competetive in NWFP and Balochistan. I dont see that dynamic changing in the present atleast, but they need to broaden it in order to avoid being pegged as representative of just one ethnic group.
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Dude, PPP hardly won ANY seats in Punjab in 1996. It had a grand total of 20 seats out of some 300 in 1996, and look at where it is today, not to mention the elections before 1996, they swept it.
Zardari's performance will make sure PPP goes down the crap hole in the next elections.
It is, Jaag Punjab and Jiyey Mohajir are perfect analogies. You cant discuss or validate one parties actions without bringing in other examples, and since MQM is the only ethnic party in the country, it should be pertinent.
I wouldnt say MQM is the only ethnic party. ANP, BNP, Jiye Sindh etc all have a distinctly ethnic support base. When you say you use MQM as analogy however, do you mean to say PML is analogous to MQM? I would've thought you'd be trying to make the opposite point, as you go on to make. Lets be honest, the gratuitous MQM reference is just a device to start the usual party-bazi back and forth.
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Dude, PPP hardly won ANY seats in Punjab in 1996. It had a grand total of 20 seats out of some 300 in 1996, and look at where it is today, not to mention the elections before 1996, they swept it.
Zardari's performance will make sure PPP goes down the crap hole in the next elections.
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So you're saying in future PML may broaden its base again, just as PPP recovered. I hope they do. However the question is why are current events seen in the Punjab light, primarily because of their past of using the punjab card (a reputation they have struggled to overcome) and their present electoral confinement to Punjab.
So you're saying in future PML may broaden its base again, just as PPP recovered. I hope they do. However the question is why are current events seen in the Punjab light, primarily because of their past of using the punjab card (a reputation they have struggled to overcome) and their present electoral confinement to Punjab.
Remind me which province they lost their Govt in recently? I mean it doesn't make any sense protesting for the illegal dismissal of the punjab govt in quetta. if they really want, start off with their power base, and move on to other cities, just like how the CJ started addressing other cities in Sindh etc after the movement gained momentum.
Remind me which province they lost their Govt in recently? I mean it doesn't make any sense protesting for the illegal dismissal of the punjab govt in quetta. if they really want, start off with their power base, and move on to other cities, just like how the CJ started addressing other cities in Sindh etc after the movement gained momentum.
I think the perception would remain even if they had not started with cities in Punjab, for the reasons I mention. Also where else do you think they would get significant support? Honestly I dont think in Sindh or NWFP. Maybe Balochistan, but thats because I dont know anything about that province's politics.
nothing Nawaz Sharif has ever done has given me the impression of smartness. but one can hope.. and while we're hoping hope for a better bunch of leaders than what we have.
So if a PPP leader from Punjab shouts 'Jaag Punjab', or 'wake up punjab', hes becoming a Punjabi thing? lol
Sure, if PPP had no label/tag of being "Sindh" party and majority of their seats were from Punjab and then they shout "jaag Punjabi" then it would've become a "Punjab" party.
PML[N] had more than 2/3rd majority OVERALL in 1996 after losing an election, and I think they're quite capable of doing that, if the army wants them to. Keep in mind the PPP got a total of 20 or so seats OVERALL in that election, and most of them were from Sindh. Now they got seats all over Pakistan. Its simple, they were in tatters before this election, and are now getting the time and publicity they need to go all out.
Don't forget PML-Q in the equation.
Also, what are your thoughts about the 'Jiye Mohajir' naarey baazi during the muttehda rallies, by its chief and his lieutenants.
Though this was out of discussion but I'd say just like MQM 's slogan was "jiye Mohajir" so they are now considered ethnic party no matter how hard they try, they even tried changing their name to "Muttahida" but everyone thinks they are ethnic-based party.
He ran for elections based on a promise. So did PPP. PPP broke the promise many times and he is protesting against it.
It is a matter of priorities. I understand reinstatement of judiciary under Ch. Iftikhar. In fact I was also infuriated when Musharraf disqualified him. I would still like him to come back.
But if Ch. Iftikhar's coming back means Nawaz coming to power then I would give it second thoughts.
hmmm, I wonder if I am thinking like Aitezaz Ehsan?!