At times I have disagreed vehemetly against the MMA’s policies but at least they have been engaging in a constructive dialogue with the government over the LFO issue, and may get sensible concessions as a result. The PPP-P on the other hand only has a one point agenda i.e. let BB back etc…and then they would accept anything. Opportunistic losers.
Pakis-tan Peoples Party Parliam-entarians (PPPP) Sunday said that Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal had parted ways with the combined opposition saying, “the formal announcement is expected soon when they will join the government”. “They (MMA) don’t say it (that they have parted ways with opposition) and they will not say it. They might claim to be part of opposition but the truth is that they have reached the end of the road”, PPPP spokesman Senator Farahatu-llah Babar said talking to Online. The PPPP leader said that after allowing uniform to President for a reasonable time and promising to elect him as Head of the State, the MMA has left no doubts about their joining of the treasury benches. “It is good in a sense, the democratic forces will be on the opposition side while others will be together in government”, he commented adding, “this was bound to happen”. The MMA leadership earlier, in a meeting with Prime Minister Zafarullah Jamali led government delegation refused to accept Legal Framework Order but decided to allow Musharraf in uniform until October 2004 and pledged to elect him as President for another tenure after that. Senator Babar said the PPPP will continue fight for democracy and will sweep the next general polls. He said his party will continue with its “principled” stand of LFO, uniformed President and National Security Council. Babar said the PPP has always been showing flexibility on all issues but the government wants its own choice results. “If they won’t listen to us, then how can we cooperate? It is a two-way traffic. If they want resolution of the issues, they will have to listen to us. That is what we want. We don’t like secret deals. Everything should be open”, Babar said.
Agreed with you Malik Bhai. Both PML-N and PPPP (I don't know Ps they are now) are fighting a loosing battle. Nobody is in favour of a dictatorial regime but the critical situation we are at the moment requires Musharaf to be there for few years. These two parties are making this hue and cry just to cover up their wrong doings and the loot and plunder their leaders have done. I feel pitty for Nawabzada Sahib who could not muster enough support at his home town to win even his seat.
If nothing else, Pakistan will emerge consierably stronger from a Mushrraf-MMA nexus because it will ease the societal tension between Islamists and Musharrafites. Also, it means that we'll finally have a parliament that will actually the capability to take actions and end the political deadlock currently existing.
Even better, an MMA-Musharraf nexus would have the capability to theoritically devise a settlement with India that is agreeable to both Islamists and Nationalists - just so long as India's factions are willing to accept such a peace too.
Can Musharaf without army clothes and gun can win in Pakistan? If PPP and PML (N) are greedy what about Musharaf? Look what he did to cling to power all along and joined hands with biggest looters like Shujat & Co.?
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Presidebt Lover,
Can Musharaf without army clothes and gun can win in Pakistan? If PPP and PML (N) are greedy what about Musharaf? Look what he did to cling to power all along and joined hands with biggest looters like Shujat & Co.?
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I agree he could not have done much without the military power! But what other goverment did all the stuff he is working on? Isn't it kind of sad that Musharaf had to forcefully take power to get some projects going, while others were handed power to loot Pakistan.
I do NOT like dictatorship (which i personally don't think this is), but since the politicaly Pakistan never matured. I think at this time it is best that Musharaf is in power. We need to get up to speed with the rest of the world before we get another DEMOCRATIC goverment to slow us down again!
Well put. The latest reports are that the MMA are prepared to accept yet another extension for General Musharraf to continue as COAS and President… The Mutahidda Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) may agree to extend up to March 23, 2005 deadline for General Pervez Musharraf to relinquish President or Army Chief office provided an acceptable “flexibility” is shown by the ruling side on other issues](http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/July-2003/30/main/top2.asp)
This would mean that if Musharraf decides to step down as COAS in March 2005, the MMA would elect him as President for five years from that point, until 2010. Maulana Fazlur Rahman is now publicly stating that he believes an agreement is close **JUI chief confident of deal with govt **](http://www.dawn.com/2003/07/29/top3.htm)
All the Alliance of Robbers and Desperado’s (ARD) can do is carp and complain from the sidelines - MMA violated promise: ARD](http://www.dawn.com/2003/07/29/top4.htm), when they could have followed the MMA in and also held constructive negotations with the governement.
Just because the MMA is now joining the Musharraf Nexus, that means they no longer carry a narrow vision (of which they were accused of), or they are no longer responsible for the sectarian violence that everyone was accusing them off?
I'm not really interested in opportunism by the MMA, I think they should stick to governing their own area which is whom they represent and stay out of trying to influence the rest of Pakistan which needs to move forward. I still don't see what vision the MMA has for the future of the country other than to hang onto General Musharraf's coat tails in a bid to retain some credibility.
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Presidebt Lover,
Can Musharaf without army clothes and gun can win in Pakistan? If PPP and PML (N) are greedy what about Musharaf? Look what he did to cling to power all along and joined hands with biggest looters like Shujat & Co.?
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Degas,
I think Kiyani spoke well on my behalf-thanks to him. The point I want to emphasize is that these people were there over the last decade or so. Look what they did to our country. The argument that they were always influenced by army establishment exposes there weakness and the weakness of their insititutions even more. They could have done better legislation to obviate the army influence in country politics given the 'Historical Mandate' they had. They just were busy in making themselves more richer. We need to compare where do we stand now-with Musharaf in the driving seat-and where we used to be when we were ruled by those who were not even aware how to replace a COAS with a new one.
Where we r today would be decided by future govt ! Just check all previous Pakistani Govts including military dicatorships and civilinas athey all come blast previous governments of destroying country and economy and then satrt praising their tenure as press is Government controlled in Paksitan. And when they are forced out new Government repeat the same tune. Check how much dolars were poured during Afghan war pumping up reserves.. did any poor in Pakistan got better in healthcare, education, social justice or respect! Do u think vast majority of underpreveledged secter of society got anything from big progress or the same peopel who switch every govt got richer..
We have to decide about institution building rather than clinging to few names. You are talking bout last 10 years look who was ruling - Shaikh Rashid, Chuadrys, Faisal Saleh Hayat , Syeds along with hundreds of others. Are we better off today with these guys.. looks at billions of loans written off in last 4 years.. the loot is going on at same rate today - we would only know bout it by next Government..
uh. i think they agreed until the end of 2004 for the uniform, not 2009. Just a little common sense will tell you that musharraf would take off his uniform in any case way before 2009 because he's on record saying he'll take it off well within the 5 years of his president ship.
Cracks may have begun to appear in the ranks of the Alliance for the Restoration of Democracy (ARD) with a group of MNAs expressing their dissatisfaction over the opposition’s protest strategy of boycotting assembly proceedings. Sources said there is a group of about 20 MNAs in the ARD that either wants participation in assembly proceedings or a change in the protest strategy. PPP MNA Syed Naveed Qamar, who is also said to be a member of this group in the ARD, is currently on an official visit to Europe and the US with National Assembly Speaker Chaudhry Amir Hussain. PPP President Makhdoom Amin Fahim is not attending the assembly though he is in the capital, indicating perhaps his disagreement with the protest strategy. Talking to Dawn at Parliament House after the opposition’s boycott here on Tuesday, People’s Party Parliamentarians (PPP) MNA Naveed Gabol said: “To win a battle, you need to change your strategy daily, otherwise the enemy will easily preempt your moves.”
The PPP legislator said he had raised the issue several times in the meeting of the ARD parliamentary group, but the leadership was not listening to him. He was also angry over inclusion of the Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal (MMA) again in the fold of the joint opposition. He said once again the ARD was committing the mistake of following dictation by the MMA that, according to him, was using its ARD connections to its own advantage in its negotiations with the government. Party MNAs, he said, instead of raising slogans and boycotting the session, should stay in the House and take part in the proceedings to defend their leader who was being continuously slandered by the treasury benches. The MNA confirmed that there was a group in the ARD which was in favour of changing the protest strategy. He said the opposition had failed to highlight the LFO issue properly. He was of the view that the PPP and the PML-N, if invited, should take part in the meeting of parliamentary heads. A woman MNA of the PPP said she was not in favour of routine desk thumping and slogan raising in the House. The people at large who had supported the opposition’s protest against the LFO and the uniform now seemed fed up with the routine protests, she opined.
Does the MMA actually do any governing? Not that I'm any fan of PPP or other political parties in Pakistan but seems to me that the military is very much running the show as before, and the MMA is probably happy to concentrate on non-issues like mosque-only weddings and protest marches, so I guess it makes for a happy marriage of convenience. On the plus side, at least the MMA realises it's place and the fact that Musharraf can kick their butts out of office if they start making a nuisance of themselves.
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Does the MMA actually do any governing? Not that I'm any fan of PPP or other political parties in Pakistan but seems to me that the military is very much running the show as before, and the MMA is probably happy to concentrate on non-issues like mosque-only weddings and protest marches, so I guess it makes for a happy marriage of convenience. On the plus side, at least the MMA realises it's place and the fact that Musharraf can kick their butts out of office if they start making a nuisance of themselves.
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X, the MMA has the government of the NWFP and is in coalition in Balochistan so it has the chance to govern for the betterment of the people. There are far more important issues than “mosque-only weddings and protest marches” for them to concentrate on, and only time will tell if they have the ability to tackle the bread and butter issues of concern to the people i.e. poverty, illiteracy, sectarianism and unemployment etc. If they cannot tackle these issues they will be rightly booted out of office in four years time by the electorate. As for the PPP and other political parties all have shown in the last nine months that they are more interested in thumping desks and waving papers and insults than actually participating in the legislative process to further parliamentary democracy in Pakistan.
So be they Mullah parties, or parties led by foreign-based leaders all have shown to the people of Pakistan and the world that they are not interested in parliamentary democracy or developing Pakistan, but their own egotistic and destructive agenda’s. Thanks God we have General Musharraf at the the helm to keep Pakistan on the right track, and going from strength to strength…
this is indeed great news. if nothing else this will bring more stability and strength to the government and country. finally mma is doing something constructive for the betterment of the country. hats of to their leadership and to the government as well for finding a middle path. as for people who doubt musharraf's power after he will relinquish his uniform, i wanna say that i think his power will not die down because he has established himself as a gd politician and leader. pakistan is better off with him then with pml or ppp. but newayz gd luck to pakistan, we all hope that this decision will make pakistan even better and will make it grow [in all sectors] even faster!
Maulana Fazlur Rahman is now publicly stating that he believes an agreement is close **JUI chief confident of deal with govt **](