PPP, MQM‏ negotiations. (Thread merged)

Will it create problems for PPP government in Sindh? Past experience of such joint venture was also not successful.

www.dawn.com/2008/02/25/top2.htm

PPP legislators against coalition with Muttahida

By Amir Wasim

ISLAMABAD, Feb 24: Newly-elected MPAs of the Pakistan People’s Party in Sindh want the party to form government in the province without the support of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement.

Sources told Dawn that a number of newly-elected legislators opposed of the PPP entering into a dialogue with the MQM because of what they called “excesses” it committed against PPP workers during its five-year rule in the province.

The legislators were speaking at the first parliamentary party meeting at the Zardari House here on Sunday. It was presided over by Asif Ali Zardari.

The participants discussed the political situation in the province and PPP’s options of cooperating with other political forces in the post-election scenario.

On Feb 19, Mr Zardari had said that some party members had reservations over the issue of cooperation with the MQM. He, however, said that he personally wanted to take the MQM along.

The sources said that in Sunday’s meeting, most of the participants called for forming the provincial government without the support of the MQM because the PPP was in a position to form government on its own. Some of the members were of the opinion that the Muttahida could create problems if it was kept out of power. However, they said that if the PPP desired to take the MQM along it should be asked to join the PPP government unconditionally without seeking ministries or other posts.

A PPP office-bearer said that the track of the MQM showed that it would create problems even if it was made a part of the Sindh government.

According to the sources, Mr Zardari was personally interested in forming the Sindh government with MQM’s cooperation. He said the party had decided to take along all political forces and asked the elected members to suggest how best to reconcile this desire with the ground reality that the party was in a position to form a government on its own.

He said the meeting with Sindh MPAs was part of the party’s drive to have broad-based consultations within the party for formulating a future course of action.

The Sindh province, the PPP co-chairperson said, had a unique position among the federating units and called for prudent political decisions to address various issues confronting it. He said the party had enough strength to form a government in Sindh and he was eager to listen to the elected members’ views on how to take along all political forces in the country.

The participants left the decision about the formation of government to the leadership.

The meeting was attended by Makhdoom Amin Fahim, Yousuf Raza Gillani, Jehangir Bader, Raja Pervez Ashraf, Nisar Khuhro, Syed Qaim Ali Shah, Nafees Siddiqi, Raza Rabbani, Sherry Rehman, Syed Khursheed Shah, Safdar Abbasi, Yousuf Talpur, Azra Fazal, Dr Fehmida Mirza and Begum Ashraf Abbasi.

Earlier, members of the Balochistan parliamentary party met at the Zardari House to discuss options available to the party in the province.

PPP sources told Dawn that legislators from Sindh and Balochistan also discussed the names of possible parliamentary leaders in their respective assemblies. They said the names of Agha Siraj Durrani, PPP Sindh president Syed Qaim Ali Shah, Makhdoom Jameeluzzaman and former opposition leader in Sindh assembly Nisar Khuhro were under consideration.

However, they said that if Makhdoom Amin Fahim had been selected as the party’s candidate for the premiership, his son Makhdoom Jameeluzzaman would not be nominated as the parliamentary leader in the Sindh assembly.

The sources said that the party leadership believed that Nisar Khuhro and former chief minister Qaim Ali Shah would be weak candidates keeping in view strong challenges the party could face after coming into power.

They said Agha Siraj Durrani was a strong candidate. He is son-in-law of PML-F chief Pir Pagara and had served as provincial education minister in the party’s previous two governments.

The sources said the name of Pir Mazharul Haq was being seriously considered for speaker of the Sindh assembly.

For the Balochistan assembly, the sources said, there appeared to be a consensus on the name of Aslam Raisani, son of former Balochistan governor Ghous Raeesani. However, as the party was not in majority in the province, it could give the chief ministership to an independent legislator or to a nominee of a coalition party, the added.

Meanwhile, PPP spokesperson Farhatullah Babar denied that a nominee for the post of provincial chief minister was finalised during the Sindh parliamentary party meeting. He said the meeting did not discuss the matter of parliamentary leader in the National Assembly or in any of the provincial assemblies.

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Mutahidda people were urging their leadership to do the same and not compromise with PPP. But i think the party heads have already reached an agreement to work together and form a unity Government.

Whether it actually materializes or sees implications, is another thing....

So far so good

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So how does the whole "lets take everyone together" approach actually work? Will there be no opposition party at all? Who will keep a check on government excesses if "everyone is in together" in looting the exchequer? Surely we need an opposition in each assembly, and a viable and serious opposition.

Altaf Husain constantly urges everyone to "accept the mandate given to MQM in urban Sindh". Ok fine, so you got the seats in the Karachi and Hyderabad areas. Fine. But if you don't have a majority, why is it mandatory for the majority party to accomodate MQM in the govt? Can't MQM function in the opposition for a few years? Do they have a God-given right to be always in the government??

Surely all opposition MNA/MPAs have recieved votes from their constituents and thats how they are MNA/MPA. Their party didn't win majority seats so they are in opposition. Is not invited to be part of the government some how a sign that your mandate is not being accepted??

Someone please explain the MQM logic to me. Thanks.

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National Government, mil-baant-ke-khayen :smiley:

Army hay na, masoom tareen institution, kewn Aalsi/Sa1eem bhai? :faizy:

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oh bhai :smack: London mai bohot mehengai ho gayee hay!

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^:rotfl:

C’mon! It should come as no surprise that Muttahidda has always joined hands with whoever may come forth as the Ruling party. Certain words come to mind, but wouldn’t be nice to use them here. :slight_smile:

So..yes…it’s back to to the walk of Establishment for Muttahidda…oh wait…they never left Establishment to begin with! :slight_smile:

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Let me give it a shot.
This time around, we do not have a viable opposition, because of all the talks about Unity Government. In such a setup, if mqm is left out, it will be cut off from the mainstream. There is a political fallout, for a party which is trying to get into the mainstream.

Its not just a matter of 5 years, if things stay this way (that is if PPP keep winning sindh, PMLN keep winning punjab), MQM will always be a winning (retaining) all their seats but still be sitting in the opposition (because of PPP winning simple majority in sindh).

An ethenic party is more effective, when they take the whole province, not just a city or two (example ANP). Thats why mqm does not want an ethenic label, and M stands for Mutahedda now.

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Its all for the election success of a party.
They are champas of whosoever is in power. They dont have a agenda they dont have their points to follow before and after election. How can you then blame them for being anything but a political party?

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are you suggesting that they are greedy of power?
thats really a new concept in pakistan politics.

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Robert,

All political parties are greedy for power but there is always a limit. e.g. Amin Fahim was offered PM post by Mush but he did not accept it. Had this been offered to AH or some MQM leader, 'aankhain band kar ke accept kar latay.:D

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After the threats Altaf is making, it seems the new govt is getting ready to deal with him, the only way he understands

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/arc_news.asp?id=4

PPP MPAs for governorship to Naseerullah

Members-elect on provincial assembly seats belonging to the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) have reportedly requested the party leadership to give the portfolio of the Sindh governor to former Interior Minister Gen. (Retd) Naseerullah Babar.

Sources disclosing this claimed that the MPAs who called on PPP Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari and other central party leaders in the federal capital recently made this request and were of the opinion that there was a need to keep a ‘balance’ in the Sindh administration.

The MPAs were of the view that Sindh is a province of Urdu, Sindhi, Punjabi and Pushtoo-speaking communities and pointed out that, currently, there is a tradition wherein chief ministers were chosen from the Sindhi-speaking community while the province’s governors hailed from the Urdu-speaking community.

They pointed out that the situation in the province has now changed with the victory of two ANP MPAs and that there was a need to delegate Sindh governorship to the Pushtoo-speaking community.

According to the sources, they, pointing out that the Sindh Chief Secretary Fazalur Rehman and the IGP Sindh belong to the Urdu-speaking community, said that the Sindh governor portfolio should be given to a member of the Pushtoo-speaking community. They added that Gen. (Retd) Naseerullah Babar was a suitable candidate for the position.

Party insiders also claimed that the PPP leadership plans drastic reshuffling vis-a-vis the portfolios of the governors of all four provinces after they form the government in the centre.

PPP, MQM‏ negotiations. (Thread merged)

Why is PPP negotiating with MQM?

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=98499

PPP forms panel to negotiate with MQM

Wednesday, February 27, 2008

The Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) on Tuesday constituted a four-member committee to negotiate with the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) regarding cooperation between the two elected parties.

PPP Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari nominated Sindh PPP President Syed Qaim Ali Shah, Secretary-General Nafees Siddiqi, Nisar Khuhro and Mian Misbah, assigning them the task to negotiate with the MQM leadership and ask the MQM leadership about their decision for future line of action.

This was the PPP’s first formal initiative. The leaders of the two parties, Zardari and Altaf Hussain, also exchanged views regarding the possibility of cooperation with each other over the telephone. However, no formal interaction was initiated after this telephonic talk and some elements started propaganda and tried to create misunderstanding between the two political forces.

Zardari took serious notice over the media reports and statements of some leaders which had created a misunderstanding between the two parties.

Insiders claimed that the PPP negotiating team would talk to MQM leaders in Karachi. The team members were advised to convey to the MQM leadership to first stop issuing controversial statements and passing derogatory remarks in their speeches.

The insiders said that the PPP leadership was surprised as to why controversial statements were being issued and remarks were being passed against the PPP leadership while Zardari had already conveyed to the MQM chief that his party wants to bring them on board.

Sources said the PPP leadership still has soft corner for the MQM and claimed that Zardari was waiting for the decision of the MQM regarding cooperation with the PPP. He has now constituted a four-member committee to negotiate with the MQM in this regard.

However, sources said there was no discussion in the party at any level about the future chief minister of Sindh. The party leadership was surprised by the speculation spree going on in the media regarding the nomination of a PPP candidate for the chief minister’s slot.

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What type of question is that?? :rolleyes:

Re: PPP forms panel to negotiate with MQM‏.

I thought PPP had a majority in Sindh, and many PPP supporters call MQM terrorists. So why is PPP negotiating with MQM?

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http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=278580

Re: PPP forms panel to negotiate with MQM‏.

Why is it that PML (N) have no objections with PPP for talking with MQM?

Why does PPP need to talk to MQM and is now forming a panel to negotiate with them?

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story…l.asp?Id=13233

About the MQM joining the governments at the Centre and in Sindh, he said the PML-N leadership had conveyed its serious reservations to the PPP on the MQM in this connection but would not create any obstacles for the PPP leadership in formation of governments with the inclusion of Altaf Hussain-led party in this regard. He accused President Musharraf of still interfering in the affairs of Pakistan Army as he was still occupying the Army House even after his retirement as the Army chief. " It is high time for Musharraf to resign, stop interfering in Army’s affairs and leave the Army House," the PML-N leader demanded.

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^Because MQM is capable of creating chaos in Karachi by killing, extortion, batta khori. It needs to be controlled, when other political party is going to take over the government in near future. Remember May 12, 2007 carnage?

Re: PPP forms panel to negotiate with MQM‏.

I think it is right move by Zardari,
Target is to remove him so he is looking forward to isolate president Musharaf, by the removal of the Mushy, 2nd political figure will be out.

MQM wants to be in govt. and they are nobody's friend, nor they ahve any respect for human life, so it is good for Zardari to open a FRONT at a time.

Re: PPP forms panel to negotiate with MQM‏.

Zardari cannot afford to open lot of fronts so early after elections.

PPP-MQM talks held at Nine Zero

Why is PPP continuing to talk with MQM, and that at ‘Nin Zero’. Have they no shame?

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=38704

KARACHI: The first round of talks between leaderships of Pakistan People’s Party and Muttahida Qaumi Movement to discuss matters relating to formation of new government was held here on Thursday. They agreed to hold another round of talks in a day or two.

Leaders of both the parties met here at MQM Headquarters also known as Nine Zero, as agreed by the Co-Chairman PPP, Asif Ali Zardari and MQM Chief, Altaf Hussain on the phone earlier.

Prof. N.D. Khan, Syed Qaim Ali Shah, Misbah-ur-Rehman and Zulfiqar Qaimkhani represented PPP while Syed Sardar Ahmed, Syed Shoaib Ahmed Bukhari, Wasim Akhtar, Syed Haider Abbas Rizvi, Syed Faisal Sabzvari and Nisar Panwhar participated from MQM side.

Talking to media after one-hour meeting, Prof. ND Khan said difficult is only the first step which both the parties have already taken up and now the destination is not that far, adding Asif Ali Zardari is making efforts on national level to gather the nation.

‘We are attempting to make a consensus government,’ he added.

Talking to the media, Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) leader Hyder Abbas Rizwi said they have discussed issues in the larger interest of Pakistan and the province, adding, ‘We have asked PPP to play their role in compensating the affectees of December 27.’

Another member of MQM negotiations team Syed Faisal Ali Sabswari said his party would present an exemplary role even if it will have to sit on the opposition benches in the interest of country and the province.

‘We are making headway with a very positive approach, if we sit on the opposition benches, we would be above 50 in number and will offer very positive role there,’ he added.