is it custom to kiss man in pakistan when greeeting?
http://www.indian-express.com/ie20020119/top7.html
LOL
I think India needs to send Singh down to make their point! :)
musharuff is ok he acts cool eventhough in the first speeech he looked rattled.
satter cant hide his feelings.
Aren't Europeans noted for these diplomatic
greetings? It is definately not an American
custom. Is it even Islamic? Does it really
involve kissing? I have seen it done in a
less than real manner, only giving the sug-
gestion of said act.
it is an arab custom.. therefore adopted by muslims
it is normally at least three kisses on each cheek for people you know well..
and it goes down to one.. to people you have invited to your house, but do not know very well.
i have seen muslims from as far apart as South africa to indonesia greet people that way.
None of the real pakistani guppies have a problem with that kiss so why do you vijays object so much to his behavior? It has nothing to do with your country...
Kissing someone on the cheek is nothing bad, but a sign of friendship (something which scares the **** out of vajpayee-lovers)... Atleast our politicians dont kiss the feet of dirty animals such as monkeys and cows... Oh, and there was this one Indian politician who used to drink his own urine, now thats pathetic!!!
It is custom not only in Iran, Afghanistan, but also in Arab world as well. I see no reason why Powell looked suprised.
So, Europe and Islam use these types of
greetings. It does denote more of a bond than
a handshake. Since Islam is very against sex-
ual deviation, it makes it acceptable, then.
Even Jesus was the recipient of such. This is
what made what followed all the more terrible
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Originally posted by blackzero:
*it is an arab custom.. therefore adopted by muslims
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It does not happen in muslims of india-pak. period.
If u have seen this, let me know which area of India-pak r u talking about?
Most parts of NWFP and especially the northern areas of Pakistan. Northern Punjab as well as the upper parts of Baluchistan, parts above the Quetta region, with Pashtun dominance.
Anyone in Pakistan would know about this, which probably explains why no Pakistani guppie has made a fuss out of this, those doing so are just petrified by the friendship emerging between Pak and the US, and its effects on their cowardly nation.
And if you havent been to these parts, dont bother to paste anymore posts to contradict this...
Spock,
no, it does not happen either in NWFP or northern punjab. ppl just hug each other, meeting their chests, and pating each others backs. thats it.
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Originally posted by FreeMind:
** i have been to northern pak, and unless u r talking about some gay community, i am not aware of this kiss-cheek custom anywhere in pakistan. i have not even seen on PTV in decades.
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Hum, FreeMind ... I think that just shows you were not welcomed! Maybe you should leave Karachi and hang around in other places of Pakistan more often. ;-)
The 'kiss' in some cultures of Pakistan is not to a friend, unless he is very close but mostly to relatives. And it’s not like the Arabic kiss!
In some tribes of Baluchistan if you don't shake hands with your hostess, you are insulting her. And in other tribes you better not even intend to shake hand of the women folk.
Women from Hunza kiss your hand and elders kiss your forehead or cheeks! That is if you are welcomed.
Not that I am defending Sattar or anything! He must have a personal crush on Powell ... why is everyone so uptight about it?! :-p
[This message has been edited by ahmadjee (edited January 20, 2002).]
ahmadjee,
i do not understand why sensible ppl like u say meaningless things just to defend something so shamefull on sattar's part.
There is no custom in pakistan (or ven in india) to kiss cheeks in arabic or french style. old ppl (mother, grad parents, uncles, etc.) kiss ur forehead, thats it. u r not supposed to kiss ur friend's forehead or cheek. period.
FreeMind,
You should read the last part of my post, I am not defending Sattar.
Secondly, can someone give me a link so I can see this kiss! It would be rather funny, as I know the American awkwardness to such incidents. :)
once again.. freemind is claiming himself to be an encyclopedia of all things pakistani..
what mr sattar did was probably not in keeping with diplomatic decorum.. but then if he does it normally .. then why should he not do it.
If you meet a Japanese and do not bow your head as a greeting.. then it is considered an insult.. and if the Japanese don't shake their hands with the hosts when they go to other countries - then that is considered as an insult.
In diplomatic core you follow the customs of the host when at a meeting/ event etc.
It may not be custom of majority of Pakistanis.. and maybe Mr Sattar did it on impulse rather than anything.. as he did look a bit flustered.. but i do not hold it against him..
the same way i do not hold it against another muslim not greeting everyone in a room by saying Salam out aloud - a custom of the Prophet.
blackzero,
FM is the one who represents a country/nation. if he is a gay, but most of the pakistanis r not, then he better not should it to other attractive male digantories.
The reason I am thrashing sattar for that, is simple that his dogy style welcome is so apparent in whatever he does when some foreign dignatory come to pak. Just look at his press conference with Powell. Sattar looks like a medieval 'darbari khaadim' (palacial servant) of Powell. I am so pissed off by this, because sattar is insulting me and other pakistanis by behaving like this.
Ask sattar to resign as FM, and then do whatvere he wants to do. I would not have any problem.
Moved from PA to culture.