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I don’t know too much about JI
BUT
JUI-F AKA Mr. Petroleum Jelly Belly is a BIG dhabba on Islam! He should really not use the faith Islam in the name of his party, as he doesn’t do anything Islamic!
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Petroleum jelly belly lol 
I haven’t learned this phrase in PA yet, I only knew of “Maulana Diesel”!
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^I made that one up…I first called him Petroleum Jelly..and Muqa thought I was by mistake replacing J with a B..as in Belly…so I thought I should use the full thing…so came the new name :
Petroleum Jelly Belly 
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I like it 
Suits him.
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I know…maybe I should tweet it to IK 
(as if he has nothing better to do than to read my tweets)
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He maybe reading your posts, you nevaa knowww 
<<<Ohhh…this definitely belongs in PA right now. …
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The bolded part alone is an oxymoron. Your opinion is that we can govern ourselves according to Quran/Prophet but that we don’t have to grow beard or pull up our jeans to our ankles (both of the acts - accordingly to the school of thought majority of Pakistanis follow - are made obligatory). So now because we hypothetically differ strongly on this one example alone, how will the ‘strict religious authority’ dictating Pakistan resolve this and somehow appeal to all schools of thought practiced in Pakistan?
Point is, your version of Islam may/may not be your neighbour’s view which makes it impossible for a country like Pakistan to have one strict religious authority as the ruling party.
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I dont read anywhere in the Quran or Hadith that makes it obligatory to grow a beard. If there is a religious authority that makes laws that aren’t substantiated by either the Quran or the hadith then we as a people have every right to oppose that authority. When I said strict I meant it was an enforcing entity on the corruption in Pakistan, not the mullah police! I don’t think anyone in Pakistan would disagree with the basic sharia laws, if they’re explained to them properly.
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Beard and sharia turn out to be the most important things when discussing Pakistani problems.
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And there are other issues. The point of laws is to protect the minority, not the majority. Will Ahmedis be safe under this ideal version of Sharia law? What about someone who is openly atheist? If the Quran promotes free thinking, are you allowed to question the Quran itself? Most Pakistanis will agree on these questions, but some won’t, and the question is, will the state protect those citizens or will it punish them for disagreeing with the religion?
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I think we need to realize the constitution of Pakistan was made in accordance to what Islam requires. Barring the amendments made by successive Governments for petty reasons/personal gains.
The problem has always been that the enforcers of the constitution are themselves far short of its’ set standards (which are Platinum by the way). It’s not the law, as I see it. It’s the FULL implementation of the constitution as it stands that is a hurdle for a progressive Pakistan that truly shines as the best example of an Islamically Governed nation.
The likes of me who lack the understanding of that fact, are often very quick to start pointing to glorified words mainstream media likes to toss around for impact. I wish I would just consider, and do justice to myself by studying the existing constitution. I may be shocked to find that most of what makes up the constitution does NOT contradict the Quran and Sunnah. In fact there is a condition within the constitution that makes it essential that no laws are to be made that are contrary to the Quran and the Sunnah.
Why not start with implementing that first? I am willing to bet it would be one heck of a grand start. What remains after it, will be minute everyday matters that can easily be implemented. In fact most people would welcome more positive changes.
Think about it!
The lollipops that brother is accusing western countries of giving to their public may in fact be closer to the core of Islam than we realize:.
-Zakat >>> Welfare System for the Poor/Needy (call it Foodstamps for today’s times).
-Services Fee Sabeelillah>>>Non-Profits.
-Sadaqah>>>If you can’t spare the wealth, volunteer to help others.
The list can go on and on.
It is true the intent behind services may not stem from Islamic charters, but the principle benefactors are the same class of people that would benefit in any country that is governed by Islamic laws.
Start with the positives from the existing system, and as public starts to appreciate it; it will itself demand for more. Which will then pave the way for fine-tuning the system according to public’s needs. An outraged, divided, and uneducated public being introduced to a completely different system is a recipe for a massive disaster; disasters which Pakistan does not have the ability to afford anymore. If anything it’s time to start healing existing wounds.
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^ You’re missing the point. Can the constitution be almost like Sharia. Possibly. Is that desirable? Only if you’re Muslim. A constitution should protect everyone, even those who openly disagree with Muslims.
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Everyone should be protected within the boundaries of Pakistan so long as they don’t commit crimes, or violate any laws. Violators should be punished regardless of faith.
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True, but the problem starts when you begin creating laws that stipulate what one can or can’t say about a faith, or who actually belongs to a faith. All this is done in the name of Islam and has widespread support among the population. How do you take an unpopular opinion against the (apparent) faithful? These are not mere philosophical questions, these are values that trickle down throughout society.
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Well, this is why Pakistan first needs to figure out whether it is an Islamic nation or a secular nation. Are we Muslims first or Pakistanis first. Because they clash, we can’t be both which is what we are claiming to be hence causing such mass confusion amongst the 180 million people.
If you say we can be both, then please answer some key questions raised by ghost in the post above.
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^ i bet if you go to a western country you wont have this confusion. Pakistani Muslims are so happy to live in western secular countries and call themselves american muslims or british muslims but when its pakistan it has to be one either the state or the religion. It seems Pakistan has been taken for granted by its people.
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Maybe Pakistan should have an Election before the elections to decide if it’s a secular nation, or non-secular nation. Be ready to accept the results wholeheartedly though.
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Tsk, how soon you forget teggy! If our electoral process was fair and transparent, we wouldn’t be having this issue in the first place, remember.
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Lol. But there’s hope…which is why we keep going through this excruciating process every few years.