Are these poets from Pakistan’s Khayber-Pakhtunkhah have a following in Afghanistan as well? especially Pashto speaking population.
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I am not sure how much they'd be relevant even in KPK and Fata too at the moment.
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I am not sure how much they'd be relevant even in KPK and Fata too at the moment.
common language become a bridge to be relevant. Like Pakistani people still follow Urdu poets of India nad vice verse.
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a lot has changed in recent years…the hatred towards sufis in general.
Report: Attacks on Sufi shrines signify new conflict in Pashtun lands by Zia Ur Rehman
The March 5, 2009 attack on the mausoleum of Rehman Baba, a revered Pashto Sufi poet of the 17th century, was widely condemned in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. Thousands of people visited the shrine after the bombing. Many were seen weeping. A day after the attack on Rehman Baba’s tomb, the shrine of another revered spiritual figure, Bahadur Baba, was targeted by missiles. - See more at: Report: Attacks on Sufi shrines signify new conflict in Pashtun lands by Zia Ur Rehman
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so apparently Taliban not only dislikes sufis but they detest poetry as well.
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so apparently Taliban not only dislikes sufis but they detest poetry as well.
i think their poetry is now confined to the politics of ANP.
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i think their poetry is now confined to the politics of ANP.
The poetry of Sufis got big canvas, so it can't be confined to a political party, if it was in-built in Pashtoon society at sometime. It might have become part of their language as we do use Ghalib's lines in Urdu, without knowing that its from poetry of Ghalib.
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Rahman Baba is quite popular in Afghanistan. His work remained popular during the Taliban era despite being banned. Interestingly, much of his work has seen a recent increase in popularity.
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Rahman Baba is quite popular in Afghanistan. His work remained popular during the Taliban era despite being banned. Interestingly, much of his work has seen a recent increase in popularity.
I thought Khushal Khan Khatak's poetry might be getting more popularity under current circumstances, as his poetry has shades of resistance.
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I thought Khushal Khan Khatak's poetry might be getting more popularity under current circumstances, as his poetry has shades of resistance.
Khushal Khan Khatak is also popular. He's actually the national poet of Afghanistan. He's considered the "father of Pashto literature" by many as he was one of the first writers to write prose in Pashto.
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If you don't mind me asking, how come are you on this site? Don't afghans hate pakistanis ?
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If you don't mind me asking, how come are you on this site? Don't afghans hate pakistanis ?
I came across this site looking at the makeup looks posted by the girlies in Fashion & Beauty.
Personally, I find it best not to judge an entire country or its people based on the actions of a few and find it ridiculous to hate people simply based on nationality but, yes, many Afghan people hate Pakistanis. Many blame the Pakistani government's meddling and support of the Taliban for the chaos of the past decades.
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Can't afghans see that there interference in FATA / pashtunistan in the past and not accepting durand line actually invites / urges Pakistan to act in afghanistan? I don't get their fascination with pashtunistan when pakistani pashtuns don't want it.
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Any thoughts about Khushal Khan Khattak or Rehman Baba?
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LOL I did take it a bit off topic didn't I.
I have heard good things about Rehman Baba, though I am a bit hesitant to read poetry even of Iqbal who has some very poignant poetry unlike some lovey dovey crap from some poets. I have this impression of poets of being time pass who should be doing something better with their lives.
I have read that he was a sufi and considering, at least to my knowledge, the warrior status of pathans and how we have always see taliban or some communist talibans pre-eighties, it would be interesting to know about sufi pathans whenever they existed some eons back.
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But these Pathans also got this romantic vein in their society to give tales like Yusuf Khan and Sher Bano.
Oh I remember one interesting thing read in Dr Sher Shah Syed's book 'Kon Dilan Diyan jaane' revolving around the stories of ladies who were suffering for urine related diseases in earth-quack affected areas of KPK. There is a place near Mansehra called 'Itr Sheesha'. The writer of the book tells that Pathans are not just of savage nature, they loved their daughters and respected ladies a lot (They still do that, except for elements which are present in every society and culture). So the name of Itr Sheesha had a story behind it.
Centuries ago, there was caravan travelling from Muzaffabad and they had to stay in a valley for night. After passing the night in valley near a pond, they started their journey again. After half day, the daughter of Carvan's leader came crying to her father and told that she missed her Itr bottle and Sheesha (mirror) near pond. seeing tears in eyes of daughter, the leader ordered for stopping the Carvan and sent people in search of missing items.
A society with such folk tales can't just be described by savage Taliban. There is a soft fabric of that society which is either hidden intentionally or we just want to see one side of the picture. aakhir kisi na kisi pe to apni kotahiyon ka malba girana hai :p
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But these Pathans also got this romantic vein in their society to give tales like Yusuf Khan and Sher Bano.
Oh I remember one interesting thing read in Dr Sher Shah Syed's book 'Kon Dilan Diyan jaane' revolving around the stories of ladies who were suffering for urine related diseases in earth-quack affected areas of KPK. There is a place near Mansehra called 'Itr Sheesha'. The writer of the book tells that Pathans are not just of savage nature, they loved their daughters and respected ladies a lot (They still do that, except for elements which are present in every society and culture). So the name of Itr Sheesha had a story behind it.
Centuries ago, there was caravan travelling from Muzaffabad and they had to stay in a valley for night. After passing the night in valley near a pond, they started their journey again. After half day, the daughter of Carvan's leader came crying to her father and told that she missed her Itr bottle and Sheesha (mirror) near pond. seeing tears in eyes of daughter, the leader ordered for stopping the Carvan and sent people in search of missing items.
A society with such folk tales can't just be described by savage Taliban. There is a soft fabric of that society which is either hidden intentionally or we just want to see one side of the picture. aakhir kisi na kisi pe to apni kotahiyon ka malba girana hai :p
^This!!!
Not only that but many people misinterpret certain aspects of our culture, such as the protectiveness towards women.
A couple of years ago, the media was on about how in some parts of Afghanistan it is still common for women to walk a few steps behind men. Several journalists commented along the lines of "Oh my god, how sexist!" and elicited quite a response on social media. If they had bothered to do some research into the practice, they would have learned that many areas in Afghanistan are still rife with undetonated landmines and IEDs and that the reason men walk in front of women is so that, in the event that there is a landmine or other danger, the man is able to protect the woman. This practice is quite old (it actually predates the issue of landmines) and the reasoning behind it has always been that if the man walks a few steps ahead of the woman, he will be able to protect her in the event of danger ahead.
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Women should stay at home.
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:D
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:smack:
This is old tradition also followed in Sindh and reason is protection.
This is a clip from PTV’s serial ‘Deewarain’ about a girl Rani who was kidnapped and (from 32:40) she is following her father after she got free. They are walking in an area that is not known to to the lady, which is one of the reason that ladies follow men.
Ptv Drama Deewarein Episode (4) | Tune.pk
If this is sexist then almost all the cultures of subcontinent and different parts of world are sexist including those where doli was used for ladies going from one street to other.
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I actually attempted to explain all of this to someone once and sadly it went over their heads. The lady’s reply was something along the lines of “Not every woman is a damsel in distress needing to be protected!” I attempted to explain to her that we’re talking about protection from landmines (“You know, those things that blow your legs off when you pass over them?”) and she still went on about how sexist it was. Ironically, this same woman often complained when men didn’t hold the door open for her. Isn’t holding the door open for a woman also “sexist?” :smack:
On another note, I think I mentioned earlier that Khushal Khan Khatak is the national poet of Afghanistan. Does Pakistan have a national poet?