The following is copied from Meeting New People Section…
MNI:
Hehehe…by the way..I never called you Jaahil. I called the act of brandishing man a jaahil. Pls. read the sentence again.
O.k…here we go again:
First of all, if your’re not muslim, then there really isn’t an argument here. You’re culture/religion teaches you something different from what Islam teaches me.
“I want to know where you got the idea that women (in proper hijaab) cannot converse with
ghair-mahram men, or joke with them..”
Well…the wives of prophet never interacted with his companions. They only spoke with them about a specific subject and then..that was it. His wives were among the most perfect women in history and they should be emulated just as men try to emulate the prophet’s ways.
“Are men also supposed to be humble and submissive or is it some quality just required of women? Please elaborate with quotes…”
An educated and righteous man is always humble!!
“..men themselves feel very pressured to remind women about their duties as defined and seen by men themselves…”
We’re talking about the righteous men here, not ignorant and arrogant ones. Its a common
misconception among women that men are out there to remind and limit women to certain roles. Though this happens, its not the decorum.
“..I am not putting anything on sexism or chauvinism. All I am saying is, that you are a chauvinist and yes, a sexist..”
I can’t help it if you label my views as sexist or chavanist. Like I said before, men are labeled as such when they try to explain what right and obligations Islam places on both men and women!
“..Well it might be Islamic. But it’s still sexist AND chauvinistic..In fact I do think that parts of Islam go against women”
Pls. don’t label Islam when you’re, firstly, not a muslim and secondly, have no idea about what Islam is all about. I call it stereotyping.
“As I see it, you are putting your own spin on what Islam says about women, and still claiming that this is the only true Islam, and being very very preachy about it..”
Well…as mentioned above, its better to be humble then arrogant. All of my opinions mentioned here are from what I have learned from others and my own research. If anyone can dispute what is written here, I will be glad to hear what they have to say.
“Still, please tell me where it is forbidden for a woman to converse with a ghair-mahram male,provided she is in hijab”
Since preaching doesn’t appeal to you, I will try to be very concise here by saying that it doesn;t have to be written in quran to be followed upon. If it was practiced by the prohet, his companions or his wives, then its almost as good as quran.
msaqibj Bhai:
Gotcha!!!