Re: Pope Benedict to resign
Did you read my entire post my dear friend. It helps.
I did. Initial part biographers defense. Latter wikipedia. Discussing 2004 to 2010. And one 1999.
Re: Pope Benedict to resign
Ya now clutching on straws are we. Now we would have to search for the fire based on the smoke :)
I am not saying that mistakes did not happen. It is just not right to blindly badmouth somebody. It is good to see the mask uncovered sometimes :(
Did you even read the link? No need to clutch straws. His deliberate and REPEATED cover up in 25 years laid out.
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So does your statement that he systematically made sure that all child abuse cases were thrown under the carpet hold water. For the 25 years he was a cardinal, he was not responsible for investigating child abuse cases. Please understand that as Cardinal you are designated specific duties...
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I brought up beef because you used it as an example.
As for not hearing criticism of Hindu holy men my earlier post in this thread is critical of Saibaba who recently assert away. Quite frankly I don't know any Hindu holy man. Am not a big fan of such blind following. When in India I go yo temples because I get peace if mind. Listen to bhajans.
Feel free to either provide cases of Hindu holy men who did negative things. I will not hesitate to criticize if they deserve it.
I used it as an example. It was not related to food habits here as you have understood.
It is not about criticizing holy men, it is about understand the entire context of what happened and having a balanced view.
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Did you even read the link? No need to clutch straws. His deliberate and REPEATED cover up in 25 years laid out.
As I said before, people can have perspectives. There can be instances not systematic cover up of all the cases that came to him. We might not know the entire context. At times certain decisions that are taken would have different ramifications at a later point in time. It is essential to make sure that no innocent person was punished.
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I used it as an example. It was not related to food habits here as you have understood.
Sorry if my choice of words was not the best. I understood what you meant. Let me clearly state such preachings will not disturb me one bit. I thought my post made it clear I care about philosophy expressed and not things like preachings about eating beef or similar things. Not sure why message was not clear to you. Oh well.
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So does your statement that he systematically made sure that all child abuse cases were thrown under the carpet hold water. For the 25 years he was a cardinal, he was not responsible for investigating child abuse cases. Please understand that as Cardinal you are designated specific duties...
Don't out words in my keyboard. I would never state he covered ALL abuse cases. I said he covered up several. Why twist things? Who is clutching at straws?
Read the link. It States that was his main job description. To investigate sexual abuse. So yes for 25 years that WAS his prime responsibility.
I am disappointed with evidence staring you in your face you choose to ignore it.
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As I said before, people can have perspectives. There can be instances not systematic cover up of all the cases that came to him. We might not know the entire context. At times certain decisions that are taken would have different ramifications at a later point in time. It is essential to make sure that no innocent person was punished.
There you go again. Who said anything about ALL THE CASES THST CAME TO HIM?
You have been stating ad infinidum we might not know entire context. Who can claim to know entire context. For me this is sufficient info. For you the bar is set way too low to clear him. As long as he did not cover up ALL CASES he is all right?
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There you go again. Who said anything about ALL THE CASES THST CAME TO HIM?
You have been stating ad infinidum we might not know entire context. Who can claim to know entire context. For me this is sufficient info. For you the bar is set way too low to clear him. As long as he did not cover up ALL CASES he is all right?
You really need to understand the meaning of the word systematic.
Good for you that your bar is raised so high that you need to jump to reach it, so that you can as well go underneath it. For a moment can you pause and think, if there was any valid reason for the cases.
That you would not do !!!
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Sorry if my choice of words was not the best. I understood what you meant. Let me clearly state such preachings will not disturb me one bit. I thought my post made it clear I care about philosophy expressed and not things like preachings about eating beef or similar things. Not sure why message was not clear to you. Oh well.
The world does not revolve around you. It is not about individual beliefs here.
Is it so difficult for you to understand that as a religious head, he has to profess the faith and stand by the fundamental ethos of the religion. Is it so difficult to understand....
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You really need to understand the meaning of the word systematic.
Good for you that your bar is raised so high that you need to jump to reach it, so that you can as well go underneath it. For a moment can you pause and think, if there was any valid reason for the cases. That you would not do !!!
I understand systematic. It is not for me to decide if he systematically covered up cases. There is evidence he covered up SEVERAL cases.
I will tell you where I set the bar. If he covered ho even ONE case he is not respect worthy. That he covered io several is obvious to those who can think clearly.
As for your question " were the cases valid" what the heck are toy saying here? Please do explain.
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The world does not revolve around you. It is not about individual beliefs here. Is it so difficult for you to understand that as a religious head, he has to profess the faith and stand by the fundamental ethos of the religion. Is it so difficult to understand....
You are getting to be ridiculous. You brought up the example of Hindu preacher preaching Hindus eat beef. You asked me how I or Hindus would feel. I explained how I would feel. You did not understand my explantation. So I clarified.
Next time you pose a question I will be careful to avoid it - lest I be accused of the world revolving around me! Comical.
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Is it so difficult for you to understand that as a religious head, he has to profess the faith and stand by the fundamental ethos of the religion. Is it so difficult to understand....
What does any of this have to do with his multiple cover ups?
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I understand systematic. It is not for me to decide if he systematically covered up cases. There is evidence he covered up SEVERAL cases.
I will tell you where I set the bar. If he covered ho even ONE case he is not respect worthy. That he covered io several is obvious to those who can think clearly.
As for your question " were the cases valid" what the heck are toy saying here? Please do explain.
Now from systematic it has become several cases. Good. We are making progress here.
Now for your question... "Were the cases valid". Is it difficult to understand. As I have repeated ad infinitum, there might have been cases where personal vendetta might have been the reason.
I agree that the bar needs to be set where even in a single case if favoritism was the reason. I would say "Not guilty" until proven otherwise.
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What does any of this have to do with his multiple cover ups?
We were discussing two separate issues. To refresh your memory -This one was related to his not so secular credentials..
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You are being silly. It is semantics. I may have stated systematic earlier. You asked for the definition. So I stated while I don't have the basis to state he systematically did it I have sufficient info to conclude he did it several times. Of course you missed that didn't you. Fir you we don't have complete context. Quite frankly it dies seem highly probable he systematically covered up.
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You are getting to be ridiculous. You brought up the example of Hindu preacher preaching Hindus eat beef. You asked me how I or Hindus would feel. I explained how I would feel. You did not understand my explantation. So I clarified.
Next time you pose a question I will be careful to avoid it - lest I be accused of the world revolving around me! Comical.
Sometimes it helps to take a minute before you hit the "Post" button. Go through the posts and understand where I took the example. If you still do not understand why I took the example and still feel if the post is regarding you, it not just comical it is downright foolish.
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You are being silly. It is semantics. I may have stated systematic earlier. You asked for the definition. So I stated while I don't have the basis to state he systematically did it I have sufficient info to conclude he did it several times. Of course you missed that didn't you. Fir you we don't have complete context. Quite frankly it dies seem highly probable he systematically covered up.
Now it is about semantics. Good for you whatever. Systematically and several times are contradictory. Hope it helps...
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Now for your question... "Were the cases valid". Is it difficult to understand. As I have repeated ad infinitum, there might have been cases where personal vendetta might have been the reason.
I agree that the bar needs to be set where even in a single case if favoritism was the reason. I would say "Not guilty" until proven otherwise.
So now you are reduced to speculating that THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN CASES OF PERSONAL VENDETTA. While you are at it why stop there. Speculate away. I rely on reports. You can rely on speculation.
No one can prove after 30 plus years. Some of us use common sense to connect the dots.
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Sometimes it helps to take a minute before you hit the "Post" button. Go through the posts and understand where I took the example. If you still do not understand why I took the example and still feel if the post is regarding you, it not just comical it is downright foolish.
Now you are trolling. I am out.