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not pentecostal and who said oneness believer??
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^ it tells you all in that link... please read it
p.s. And look up 'Oneness Pentecostals'
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isn’t jesus a holy son in christianity??? not holy father?
anyway, pope is like pops, dady, abba, paapu.. so you see since he is a religious figure so he is holy abba jee.
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how is pope "holy"????
what do u mean by holy????
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Yes, Armugal, the question is correct, what does it mean that he is Holy?
If the Pope is given a chance to talk the truth of God, he will say that he is tired of this holy spectacle and needs rest.
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gupguppy - I meant I am not a Pentacostal nor am I a oneness believe. I am a Catholic, nothing fancy. I think you totally misread/misunderstood what I printed, it was not an in-depth analysis of anything, just an answer in passing. My arguments end with this post.
Jesus is the Holy Father - He is the original teacher and leader, his name is where the label CHRISTianity comes from, the beginning of the new testament, the capitals I put up there are for emphasis only. This is different from The Father. I put the trinity in the equation only because someone asked about the trinity. AS I STATED MORE THAN ONCE, this was a simple and quick answer for something that is complicated, I am not interested in going any deeper than I already have. Find another.
The Pope is a Holy Teacher - he is not the original but a not the teacher and leader.
Understand?? Please don't read anything else into this. It was meant as quick reply. Find a scholar for arguing with, I am no longer interested.
Thanks
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HOLY - some definitions per Mirriam-Webster
-exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness
-devoted entirely to the deity or the work of the deity
-divine
-having a divine quality
-venerated as or as if sacred
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saying that Jesus is the Father is a Oneness Pentecostal belief - bordering on or equivalent to the heresies already mentioned - and usually refuted by other Christians… you may not be a Oneness Pentecostal yourself, but your belief smacks of their creed from what i can see… and you are right, there are no simple answers for such a belief… that Jesus is his own father and his own son at the same time
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Wow, even I am getting dizzy with all the speculation in this. Anyway:
Jesus is NOT the Holy Father. Jesus is considered the SON of the Father as set out in the Tri-une doctrine of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Pope's title is Holy Father, BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC church, because they believe he hold his title from the disciple Simon Peter who, according to them, was the original founder of the Roman Catholic church in Rome. They believe the Pope to be Holy because of their respect to him and some degree one pope once made that all popes does not sin. The pope being called Holy Father does not make him the father of Jesus but is a mere title of the Roman Catholic Church.
In the New Testament, ALL Christians were addressed as being HOLY because that is what they should be. It does not necessary mean they are sinless.
The Pendicostal Movement does not consider Jesus to be the Holy Father but hold to the normal (above) viewpoint.
There is off course various small theological groups that hold to same very strange views on various Christian matters. I can't discuss all of them. Some of their views has been expressed in this discussion.
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holy aba jee gud on ya sir anwaar :D
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As I stated before, I didn’t want to get into it, as it was confusing… but here goes, from the site you took the definition from. Go ahead and nitpick it apart but it is a fine line. One of the reasons I didn’t want to go into the exact definitions.
Hiya,
I was raised in the catholic faith also. And as a catholic I freely admit that doctrine is confusing and often hard to understand. As a catholic I have often questioned.
This is my understanding of the holy trinity.
The words holy trinity are a simple way of explaining the wonder of God.
God is god. There is no other God but the one God.
God in his mercy toward mankind became man. This manifest was Jesus.
The holy spirit is God incarnate inside all mankind.
The pope is the leader of the church. Catholics concider him holy and infalible.
His job is to guide catholics in our faith…and sinse the catholic faith is so socomplicated 
He is our main man. We lean on his advise on how to please God.
Perhaps a way to understand that is sort of Pope = Iman. The head Iman.
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when the Bible says, “God is not a man that…” (Numbers 23:19), i presume according to your explanation that this verse doesn’t forever preclude God from “becoming” a man?
when you say God “became man”, was it a part of Him that did this or all of His Being?
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In all honesty I don’t know for certain. Not a question I ever asked when I was child during religion class. I would guess it was Gods Holy spirit. And as God is God and not man not something easily understood by humans.
This would be a question the Pope would need to answer.
Maybe I should be able to answer that question..but sinse I am not such a good catholic I don’t know how. Maybe the right answer is … that God is a holy mystery.
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It would be good if you quote in context when using the Bible: God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a man, that he should change his mind. Do you see any reference about God “becoming a man”? Jesus also had these exact same traits.
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^it would help if you actually first read what i wrote... AvgAmericanGirl has stated that God "became" man... the verse, in whatever context you want to read it, says that God is not a man (or are you suggesting that He is a man in some things and not in others?)... so my question to her in essence was how does SHE reconcile between the belief that "God became man" and the verse "God is not a man"?
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^Did read both replies and still believe the quote is out of context.
God is not a man in that he will have the flaws of man (which the quote refer to)
God can make a part of Him to be similar to man since he is omnipotent
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^ so anyone who says Christians worship a man-God is right to some degree
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Again putting words in my mouth. I prefer to speak for myself.
Ironicaly, all mankind have a part of God in them, e.g. His breath which He blew into us when He made us. According to your reasoning we are therefor God-men? Stupid logic!
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^ only if you believe your stupid logic that God's breath is trapped and blowing around inside us...
i'm not the one trying to justify that God (or bizarrely: a part of Him!) is/was/became a man
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Not everyone believes God to be an indivisible, single entity. Just because there is only one God doesn't mean He is limited to being in only one place. God is within all of us.