Rioting proved that the most powerful institution would not even resist its own people to damage their properties and insulted them. Go back more than 4 decades ago, Punjab never stood for Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto as he stood for them when tyrant general arrested him illegally. Only few die hard supporters got killed or suffered lashes, jail terms, though Punjabi but never represented the spirit of Punjab. However they stood whole heartedly for their Punjabi leader Imran Khan, and got him released from shackles of CAOS as he claimed.
I dont agree with the comparison of sindh/punjab leaders. However its the size that differs most. ZAB was huge. Stood on principles, whether you agree or no. There is no other leader like him afterwards, not even in his own family or party
NFP and many pipliyas won’t admit but there is a lesson that should have been learned for running interference for the army be it Bhutto or Imran. It doesn’t work out very well in the end.
Everyone knows about Imran Khan but I have to say that no matter the good deeds of Bhutto regarding establishing Steel Mill or the Nuclear Program, karma was a bitch to him for what he did for power. Of course, he also destroyed Pakistan by quota system and nationalization. Ayub was a dictator and his son was corrupt which my family has personal experience with in the sixties but I won’t deny his industrialization of Pakistan and the building of two big dams not to mention the Indus Water Treaty. Of course, he did go to war with India but Bhutto egged him on and later launched his politics on the lies that Pakistan had given away all its advantage in captured lands in Tashkent when Pakistani land also had been captured by India.
I have read the Six Points of Mujib and only found issue with two points. Bhutto should have negotiated in good faith with Mujib instead of *Idhr Hum Udhr Tum * politics as a B-team of Yahya and Co all because there wasn’t a guarantee that he would be PM in United Pakistan. Heck, if he had played his cards right then he could have been a statesman AND be a PM of West Pakistan. Pakistan was headed in that direction which it should have done in 1947 per the spirit of the 1940s Lahore Resolution. I know that there was concern about a weaker Bangladesh so Pakistani movement leaders like Fazl-e-Haq had pushed for a single Pakistan but course correction should have been done since the 1956 constitution with equal seats for both wings never was implemented.
In the end, don’t color me surprised when the army sent Bhutto to the gallows. Some say that Mujib also received his comeuppance by breaking up Pakistan and having ulterior motives with the Agartala Conspiracy. Still, he still had valid grievances unlike Bhutto and his love for Kursi.
As Pasha Uncle would say the world’s dirty dirtiest politician ;)
^^^^^pichlay 25 salon se tumhari sui wohi atki howi hoi hay 'idhar tum aor idhar hum'. Kabi General Yahya khan tumhari khoprhi mein store howa hay, ya by default tum is ko delete kar kay Bhutto ko aagay kar dete ho? kher back to the topic, the topic is post break up of Pakistan, and comparison with how people of Punjab reacted differently to two different domiciled leaders :)
I can see how all the focus been anti-Punjabi for last few decades. It is because the enemy knows they've kept the country together since after separation of east pakistan. Hence, the enemy wasnt able to divide it further. That's why they've turned the angle of their anti-pak campaigns on punjabi... misusing the insiders (as always)... by exploiting their hate, creating friction... which previously didn't work by exploiting the path and 9f Pakistan against Punjabi because they wisened up soon. so now they're all all the other non-punjabis of Pakistan in their hate campaigns.
Hope rest of Pakistan wisens up soon too & does not become a part of it.
P.S: "The %age of schizophrenic hallucinating Pakistanis is so abnormally alarming that such satan-led Godless zombies assume too much about complete strangers by reading a single word / line or few lines written online by them. It is like that because decades of bollysh & other fiction on electronic media has rendered those brains useless. Too much exposure to fictitious stories from literature also turns humans into zombies living in fantasy world away from actual reality. Their 'assumptions' about strangers Vs the actual reality have nothing in common. So I had to add this to my post just incase such schizophrenic damaged-brain zombies start assuming that I am a punjabi for writing this post which as per their broken heads is pro-punjabi. But it is not. I have written very neutral views based on my observation as a neutral casual observer. This post is not about 'ME' because I am NOT punjabi. I am referring to an anti-punjabi trend fuelled by enemies & their paaltu kuttaas in Pakistan. The views I write online are not my own life stories unless I specify anything to confirm anything is from my own life stories. I thought it is necessary to put that disclaimer to keep such zombies from including me in their mindless, shocking assumptions."
The balochis, pashtuns, sindhis nor them muhajirs like us punjabis. And their hatred only grows when they’re told the majority in the army are punjabis. About time every region is given their fair and equal share of assignments/designations.
Zehen nasheen kar lo yeh baat apne dimaag main, or carry on being the clueless/worthless little fool that you’ve already proven to be
In 1971, the Punjabi Establishment could not keep the country intact. Either you are very ignorant about Punjab and the origin of army which was once part of BIA (British Indian Army) or a racist. Go through the history of Pakistan, particularly the army origin before 1947, than come to participate in the discussions. Your subjective and mental imperative views are not acceptable here. For a good start read “India Wins Freedom” by Maulana Abul-Kalam Azad.
Jamaat e islami along with the pakistan military created the al shams and al badr brigades by brainwashing them into believing they’re doing jihad against the enemy. At least half a million Bengalis were attacked and butchered by them, while some 50,000-80,000 (mostly hindu bengals) women were raped. The US termed it as 'Genocide" by the Pakistan army for a reason, dum dum
The humud ur rehman commission report has all the atrocities committed by the army mentioned in it, but as ironic as it may sound they won’t disclose any of its contents. Why? Your guess be as good as mine
General Yahya was mostly partying and drinking around with hundreds of his mistresses. The lady in charge for all his women and booze was Akleem Akhtar aka General Raani. Go look her up and read if you haven’t already. Boy had a history of being a beyond-disgusting casanova. What Pakistan studies teaches one is obviously very very far from the actual truth
If ZAB was that huge he could’ve just let go off his high horse and conceded defeat. Hand over the reigns to the 54% bengalis who voted for sheikh mujeeb and won. His lust for power only broke the country into two. Mubarak hou!
@Doppleganger Aint the wheels of Karma in motion nowadays for the last rulers
@Exoduss please remind me which ruler after ZAB hasnt shown the lust of power?! I mean, lets start from Gen. Zia. How much time he promised in the first address?
I dont think idhar hum udhar tum is what OP wanted to talk about here. Its about the guts of resistance that a true leader can show. None of the leaders after ZAB could hold the nerves. Everyone wants a deal outta jail
My issue with @Sachaydino wasn't with Idhr Hum Udhr Tum per say but he had mentioned that Punjab didn't come out for Bhutto. My response was that Bhutto himself didn't come out for democracy and rule of law in 1970 so how can one truly feel bad for him?
Isn't that what they are saying about Imran and his inability to separate the establishment from politics?
Imran has mentioned Bhutto as one of the great leaders that we never had since that time so I know that he and even Nawaz sharif try to emulate some personality traits of Bhutto. It is very poignant that they both didn't learn that you think that you can't use and/or work with the establishment in hybrid setups. They cry too late that the establishment threw them away like a used condom. Events don't happen in a vacuum so if bhutto had sat down with mujeeb and perhaps become a PM of just West Pakistan then it is very likely that he could survived only to die a peaceful death. West Pakistan easily could see a martial law in this alternate timeline but it isn't a given for East Pakistan. We would still be better off in the end since only democracy could hold together the two wings.
You are again beating about the bush. In 1970, General Yahya Khan had full authority to call Shaikh Mujib to form the government but he did not accept this reality. Is that difficult you can not understand this? Or in the hatred of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto you kept on mentioning him as responsible for not accepting the election results for at least 25 years I have noticed on this forum. Just look what CAOS is doing to Imran Khan and his PTI behind the shield of Shahbaz Sharif the civilian PM. During 1970 there was no civilian PM acted as puppet and Yahya Khan had absolute power See how haseena of Lahore who is also grand daughter of former CAOS Asif Nawaz Janjua burnt the corps commander house Lahore, this is what my OP is “the politics of differentiation” focus on that:)
Personally, I wouldn’t ever be a fan boy of someone who wouldn’t flinch when told his country shall be separated due to his stubbornness, or rather his lust to be in power
You suggest a Pakistani who has practically faced the challenges of being a Pakistani muslim living overseas as well as in Pakistan to read a book written by an indian national ‘to have awareness’ of the challenges faced by Pakistan ? & you think you’re not ignorant & racist for being anti-punjabi but others are for having the practical experience & knowledge of those challenges specific to Pakistani demographic ? Only ignorant fools could take the indian / Pakistan demographic as the same as Pakistan faces an additional threat from a snakish neigbor - a safe haven of indian wing of Hitler’s RSS - that’s been overly aggressively working to isolate Pakistan weaken the country through sponsoring separatist groups & installing a huge military into occupied kashmir due to their hassad for Pakistan & muslims. As if the live challenges in Pakistan faced by the common population are not enough experience to know ground realities of what / who is able to manage the country better ? How retarded is that ?!
It is enough for me to know that Pakistan was founded on the night of 27th ramadan by the prayers & alot of sacrifices & struggle of muslims of subcontinent that were thrown out of power to be given into slavery of the Hindus of india. Allah blessed those muslims with a home to live free from oppression. No denying they forgot living in it the way they were supposed to as muslims rather adopted the ways of the ‘precious ones’. That is what brought them humiliation, slavery in their own country & in the countries they opt to move out to. That is the only reason of their current miserable state. There is no other reason. Every unislamic practice adopted by them in daily lives. Quran restricted to shelves or for time pass in ramadan. I am not surprised at all.
But to say ‘pubjabis’ are responsible for that state of the country is utterly foolish ignorant & surely not acceptable by those with foresight & wisdom. Why do you open a public topic if you cannot ‘accept’ views based on REAL current challenges & circumstances of/in Pakistan rather than relying on book of an indian national of God knows which year of the history & who obviously has not seen or lived the experience lived & faced by common Pakistanis today ?
Considering how in another topic, I saw you suggesting Pakistani muslims be sterilized by government to keep them from reproducing while india has surpassed China in terms of population growth & indians exporting human work force to all the countries in the world who not only contribute adding to india’s foreign exchange reserves but also use them as pro-india lobbyists in whichever countries they’re sent to. If you are not an Indian for having those pro-india, anti-Pak thoughts & beliefs then obviously you are no friend of Pakistan. Just another ZOMBIE. Keep your topics private in future if non-zombified thoughts are ‘not acceptable’ to you.
^ Most punjabis act like schit because they're uneducated jaahils/patwaris like yourself, retard. And this includes the upper hierarchy within youur stupid as phuck punjabi army
What I fail to understand is, why be so defensive over punjabis when you're not one yourself?
Truth be told, a paid stupid cunt from lahore's finest bickering on and on is all that I see here..
BLA, BLA, BLA, no rational answer except abusive language. You reminded me of many years ago like you, there was one MQM staunch supporter known as Dr. Saleem who kept on writing pages and pages of nonsense in favor of MQM and his dumb fat stupid a$$ Altaf Bhai and justifying his brutal and criminal acts. Being a PhD he wasted all his research by praising Iblis of the time. Neither Altaf Bhai is there nor his MQM anymore. And yes Saleem had also long gone with the wind. Perhaps you are a new baby here, those who are with this forum for the last three decades here know what I am talking about
See how haseena of Lahore who is also grand daughter of former CAOS Asif Nawaz Janjua burnt the corps commander house Lahore, this is what my OP is “the politics of differentiation” focus on that:)