I was at a mosque on August 14th.
The Pakistani Imam asked that everyone pray for Pakistan so that it comes out of its current turmoil, be strong again, etc…
The Indian Muslims in the mosque started berating the Imam and a political debate erupted about India-Pakistan, Kashmir, the usual stuff.
What does Islam say about this type of Duas?
Can anyone shed some light on this matter
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Wow, usually I stay away from India Pakistan threads . .but I dont think that Imam did anything wrong, what Indian Muslims got so hyped about. Imam was not asking for the strength of Pakistan at he expense of weaker India or anything.
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lol which masjid was this at? Lot of gujrati indians attending that masjid or what?
lol which masjid was this at? Lot of gujrati indians attending that masjid or what?
I don't want to be politically incorrect but I think I know which part of India the Muslims must be. They are known for there hatred for Pakistan.
Wow, usually I stay away from India Pakistan threads . .but I dont think that Imam did anything wrong, what Indian Muslims got so hyped about. Imam was not asking for the strength of Pakistan at he expense of weaker India or anything.
He basically said that since today is Pakistan's independence day and Pakistan is going through such hardships that USA is bombing pakistan with its drones, extremists are killing Pakistani civilians, and the overall situation in Pakistan is very bad. So please pray that Pakistan emerges from this turmoil.
The Indians yelled out that you have added a political statment in a Khutba and we will not pray for Pakistan.
The Imam said why not.
The Indians said this you are forcing non-Pakistanis to pray for Pakistan.
And some Pakistani guy in the crowd yelled that we should pray for kashmiri freedom fighters
And the whole thing snowballed from there....
I am like WTH is going on here.....
The Imam was forced to call for Azaan.
Usually I go to a Turkish Mosque for Friday Prayers...but this time I went to a Mosque located in a predominately Pakistani area of Mississauga
Never going back to that Mosque :)
lol which masjid was this at? Lot of gujrati indians attending that masjid or what?
this was a mosque near mavis rd in mississauga....not sure if u familiar with that area.....
not sure what those indians were......
Would that be the masjid near the Shalimar complex by any chance? This is the first time I've heard of someone asking for duas for a country. Duas for Muslims in different places is common though.
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The Imam's at fault for using the podium to give a nationalistic speech.
Had he prayed for the prosperity of islam and the muslims in the subcontinent and else where ... there wouldn't have been such an uproar.
The Imam's at fault for using the podium to give a nationalistic speech.
Had he prayed for the prosperity of islam and the muslims in the subcontinent and else where ... there wouldn't have been such an uproar.
Yeah but how many times have Imam talked about Iraq, Palestine, Chechenya, and to pray for muslim suffering there....
Why is Pakistan any different?
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^good question.
Yeah but how many times have Imam talked about Iraq, Palestine, Chechenya, and to pray for muslim suffering there....
Why is Pakistan any different?
There is a difference between praying for Muslims in Iraq, Muslims in Chechneya and praying for "pakistan".
In the former case the prayers are for our muslim brothers, but in the later case as, as you stated in your initial post, the prayer was for PAKISTAN, period...and that was the decisive factor. It was a nationalist plea on part of the imam.
As far as Palestine is considered, it is a different story all together, since it houses the third holiest site in Islam.
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And Iraq and Chechnya are also holy sites?
Nationalism is fine as long as you're supporting the truth, there's nothing wrong for praying for your country where you were born and raised.
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No one prays for Iraq and Chechneya...we only pray for the muslims there.
I dont think the Indian Muslims at the congregation were "born and raised" in Pakistan. Hence something did go wrong.
There is a difference between praying for Muslims in Iraq, Muslims in Chechneya and praying for "pakistan".
In the former case the prayers are for our muslim brothers, but in the later case as, as you stated in your initial post, the prayer was for PAKISTAN, period...and that was the decisive factor. It was a nationalist plea on part of the imam.
As far as Palestine is considered, it is a different story all together, since it houses the third holiest site in Islam.
That's exactly what Iwas thinking also. This is the first time I've heard someone request duas for a country. All the duas that include even Palestine as far as I can remember, are more about the Muslims there and not for the country itself .
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Still people have no right to be rude and condemn the Imam like that.....if they were under Shariah they'd be punished for it.
Still people have no right to be rude and condemn the Imam like that.....if they were under Shariah they'd be punished for it.
Of course. I was just talking about why they'd be upset about it. Their reaction was inappropriate. If they didn't want to make dua for Pakistan as a country, they just had to not do it themselves. If they had to address the imam about this, they should have addressed him personally later instead of disrupting the whole thing.
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How stupid can people get? The imam *requested *people to pray. He didn't hold a gun to their head and ordered them to pray. I take it that most of the congregation was probably pakistani. Even if that was not the case you don't have to pray for pakistan if it bothers you. Why act stupid about it?
p.s. praying for the country is praying for muslims as 97% of the people are muslims and are suffering as a result of the current situation.
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^Yup. :k:
Imam may have forgotten that his audience included Indian muslims. Generally you’re supposed to offer supplication for all the believers, and the entire Ummah to be uplifted together.
But then again, most Imams no matter what part of the world almost always include Palestine in their duaas too, so it’s natural. When a nation is in more turmoil than the rest, the imam can make it specific. Although it should be immediately followed by “and the entire ummah”. There should have been no reason for anyone getting rubbed the wrong way because Islam looks at religion/faith as a uniting force, not nationality.
Allah knows best.
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I don't think Pakistanis would do the same if they're asked to pray for Indian muslims being tortured by Hindu radicals. At least I wouldn't.