Most religious movements that succeeded had a political agenda as well, whetehr overt or hidden or even subconcious.
Judaism had a strong political agenda, to free the Bani Israel from slavery of Pharoahs.
Anti Ummayyad movements, those of Alids, Fatimids or Abbasid too were attractive to common man bcoz they saw an elitist attitutde of government towards Qureish and a military strength of syrians.
List other religious movements that had political agenda.
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Opposition to anything takes political form. What is the essence of being called Political?
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By political i mean, things that are not really connected to man's relation with God.
By political i mean, things that are not really connected to man's relation with God.
Then first name a religion which is not God centric.
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All religions promote their own version of social order, and politics is directly or indirectly part of that social order.
For example, if all of England converts to Islam, political agenda or not, the prime minister will be a Muslim and it would seem that a religion changed politics.
Most religious movements that succeeded had a political agenda as well, whetehr overt or hidden or even subconcious.
Judaism had a strong political agenda, to free the Bani Israel from slavery of Pharoahs. Anti Ummayyad movements, those of Alids, Fatimids or Abbasid too were attractive to common man bcoz they saw an elitist attitutde of government towards Qureish and a military strength of syrians.
List other religious movements that had political agenda.
brother ummayyads also claimed that islam itself was a political ploy by banu hashim to gain political power.re: this movement particularly there were 2 kinds of people who supported it
1-Those who saw the erosion of moral values under a corrupt political system
2-Who saw themselves disadvantaged in the new tribal hierachy established under ummayyads
Islam was never meant to be simply a form of a spirtuality it had a political agenda as well.
Religion is meant to purify politics of corruption both are interconnected.Religion without politics is meaningless.
it is a modern day misconception spread by corrupt rulers that religion and state should be kept seperate
By political i mean, things that are not really connected to man's relation with God.
man's relation to God is also judged by the way he deals with people around him and thats where the social/political part of religion comes in.
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My point was that many a times its politics that turns people towards religion as an alternative. For jews, it was oppression by egyptians that pushed them to Musa as, the ani-ummayyad sentiment mainly driven by their elitist attitude was one reason groups like those following Ibn Hanafiyya, Khawaraj, Abbasid and Fatimid movements attractive.
By the way, i am not aware who among ummayyads claimed that Islam was a ploy by Bani Hashim? it will be inetersting to read about it, coz Banu Hashim even before Islam were gaurdians of Ka'aba and hence enjoyed special position.
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^ I was refering to the verses composed by yazid after battle at karbala and sack of medina ....
at any rate without taking any specific names as we dont want another sectarian riot here
i agree with your first point but that concern it not wholly political afterall isnt it a Quranic duty " to stand upto justice as witnesses unto God " and to enjoin good and forbid evil ?
like I said many people who revolted against ummayyads solely for worldly motives like yazid b muhallab] but a great many did it for religious reasons as well which can be political as well as nonpolitical ]
i think we should not use the term "political" as if we mean "worldly"
because by that defination all organized religion revolutionary or counter-revolutionary activity is political
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I agree that standing for justice is a religious obligation.
I do however beleive that it was purely political reasons that was cause of rift among muslims and later led to religious differences.
I do however beleive that it was purely political reasons that was cause of rift among muslims and later led to religious differences.
i assume you mean that it was purely a conflict of worldy interests ?
I beg to differ , i mean sure from a nonmuslim standpoint or that of a Quran literalist this is a fair assumption. But if you believe in the hadith than the enormous amount of time & effort devoted by hadith scholars to research the hadith relating to these events and the involvement in these events of personalities that are taken as religious authorities by majority of muslims makes this sound improbable.
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Thanx brother D R for answering.
I agree that enormous efforts were put by Hadith scholars and Imams into events surrounding these personalities. But wasn't it inevitable?
Afterall wars were going on, there was political unrest, people were dying, injustices were comitted, so no doubt people turned to scholars for answers.
The other reason was false Ahadith were propagated to advance rights on crown or lack thereof.
Well, this is just my assumption, i may be wrong.
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^ thats a loaded question brother
who is right ? the pro-establishment or anti-establishment religious lobby
to personify this conflict look at ibn tayymiyah/syrian school and their feud with the Kufan /iraqi school
I havent totally figured it out myself , but I lean towards where I find the majority of the sahaba /tabeen and their pupils who were steadfast muslims and continued to uphold islamic principles whether through sword or simply imparting "subversive" religious knowledge.Thats why I favor the kufa/iraq and medina schools which were also incidently the focal points of the majority of the rebellions]