PMLN's U-Turns and Undemocratic Actions

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I personally expected a hung parliament myself. Historically, coalition governments are often the main face of the parliament in all premature and stale democracies, and Pakistan is no different. And I do believe in that in truly free and fair elections, Pakistan would mostly get coalition governments because we have such a divided and diverse electorate, plus dozens of different parties. But unfortunately, It is the status quo parties in Pakistan that oppose working in partnership and would go to any extent to win an overall majority. Nawas Sharif's premature speech victory speech asking people to pray "overwhelming majority" was absolutely disgusting.

But this isn't about Nawas won, Imran lost; case closed, go home scenario. In democracy, you respect the mandate, not rigging, and I'm afraid this is what some people seem to be doing and want others to do the same, all in the name of 'democracy'.

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I agree with you that those responsible for either buying the wrong ink, producing the wrong ink or not following the correct procedures should be identified and punished. That in itself is not a reason to try to topple a government. I am not saying that we should expect or accept vote rigging, I am saying that the system needs to be reformed thoroughly so that everyone has confidence in the system. Didn't Imran Khan say that he has going to introduce an electronic voting system in KP, and if that should be good for KP then that should also be good nationally.

Even if the government is removed, do you think elections due in 90 days would produce a rigging free elections? do you think that we should have military rule for 3 years while we put in place a new system and amend the laws? Mid term polls are democratic but the governments needs to lose a vote of confidence in order for mid term polls to take place, or it needs to dissolve parliament otherwise they are unconstitutional. The way things stand now it would be unconstitutional to try to topple the government through force and civil unrest.

I would be happy for Nawaz Sharif to go after 4 years and Imran Khan to win elections but frankly PML N has a better grip on administration than PTI. Imran Khan admitted that KP will be a test for PTI and people will be watching KP, and so far PTI has not done much in KP, and it needs to get its house in order before trying to run the federal government. I also don't see much difference between PTI and any other party at the moment as it is being run by people from the same privileged class. Even today in the paper was a story about Asad Qaiser appointing his relatives to some positions without merit.

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I'll get back to you later.

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What if majority in NA don't agree to mid term polls? Will IK still pressurize the government for midterm polls?

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About time we get rid of Ganjas forever from History of Pakistan’s Politics

Ab nahi to kab !

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For Jaahil Nooras on GS

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Well its not about NA anymore. Its about fake mandate.

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Imran Khan at Zaman Park today

If I was in Lahore I would have been there as well

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=814662665242822

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^^^^^^PPP leaders on the other hand talking about supporting him during the crisis, when PML(N) has become almost isolated. Isn't it pathetic?

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The problem is that it is too late. IK should not have taken oath of member of assembly and challenged the election results then?

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Hopefully all this mayhem ends well and we don't see a coup d'état in the making. Kudos to the democratic process! I hope their are no conflicting agenda's from TUQ and PTI after the long march and the issues can be settled in common ground. Otherwise, it would be disastrous for PTI and they stand to loose a large vote bank.

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lol

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10433154_4375742046965_4570837433707427985_n.jpg

you know ye sab Nawaz Sharif ne “democracy” ke azeem tar mafaad mai kia :wink:

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https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10551066_837752559575790_6016568373434882557_n.jpg

I thought I already posted this question here, but … who is responsible for this death:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=842584155792291

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I agree with you to some extent, i am not liking the way country is going towards further mess. Maybe Imran should have waited till next elections put more focus on electoral reforms than mid term elections as they are likely to come back to power again if elections are held again.

On the other hand, how do you actually deal with people who so blatantly cheat? I mean Imran is not a sort of person who just imagined a story about rigging and involvement of likes of Ramday, Sethi etc especially when we all know that all of the ones blamed have been rewarded for their contributions and we all know how Sharifs love Reward & Recognition for their loyal people (whether in media, politics, police, judiciary etc). It's not that Imran has gone mad in greed, he had better opportunities to become a Prime Minister but how can you tolerate a PM who believes in buying anyone/everyone for his cause and cheats the system?

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Yes but then everyone would have said he is derailing the system.

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According to Nooras its IK

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No, no one have said that. Instead IK would have established politically by adopting this route. Going all through troubles, I am doubtful he and his party members will even resign now, what he promised earlier.

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True there has been vote rigging, but not just by PML N but also but MQM and PPP. At least 80% of the votes cast would be genuine and 10 or 20% may be bogus. This has been happening in all the elections in the past. The best way to deal with the situation is to reform the system while staying inside the system, rather than to demand power, particularly when you have failed to deliver much in the 1 years that you have been in power in KP. Instead of trying to grab power PTI needs to work on improving its performance and improving governance. It needs to look inwards and address its own shortcomings before demanding power for itself. The problem is that Imran Khan has attracted a lot of professional politicians into his fold from other parties and he has to offer power because that is why they joined him, not because of idealism. In the process idealism is giving way to seeking power for the sake of power even though we have failed offer something exciting or revolutionary to the electorate.

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PILDAT public opinion poll favours PMLN

19:12 Aug 12, 2014

http://www.samaa.tv/digital_images/600/2014-08-12/pildat-public-opinion-poll-favours-pmln-1407852741-1717.jpg

ISLAMABAD: A Pakistan Institute of Legislative Development and Transparency (PILDAT) public opinion poll has revealed that a substantial 67% of the country’s population believes that democratically elected governments constitute the best system for Pakistan.

According to a report published on PILDAT website, crucially, the popular appetite for junta government remains low as only 19% Pakistanis see another military rule as the best system for the country.

The nationwide poll was conducted during July 16, 2014 to August 6, 2014 with a large sample size of 3065 citizens throughout Pakistan.
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Shahbaz Sharif: The Most Popular Leader**

With 57% positive ratings Punjab Chief Minister Mian Shahbaz Sharif is on the top of the pyramid.

He is followed by** Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif **who received **53% **positive ratings.

Chairman PTI, Imran Khan is viewed as a good or very good leader after drawing 52% positive ratings nationwide.
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Dr Qadri Gets Bad Rap**

Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri’s public persona across Pakistan is steeped in negative perceptions of his leadership skills and potential. A whopping **72% **of all Pakistanis evaluate him as a Bad or Very Bad leader, while only 21% rated him as a good to very good leader.
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Musharraf Goes Downhill**

Gen (Retd) Pervez Musharraf also remains an unpopular leader in Pakistan, albeit less unpopular than some of the other political leaders in Pakistan’s national politics.** 62% Pakistanis** rate him as Bad or Very Bad leader, while 34% rated him as good to very good leader.
Negative ratings of all other political leaders of Pakistan remain higher than their positive ratings in the public as shown in various opinion polls through previous years.
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63% Sees Polls As Transparent**

While 63% of all Pakistanis believe that general election held in May 2013 was somewhat to completely transparent and fair, 37% respondents see the May 2013 Election as somewhat rigged to completely rigged.
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85% Wants Electoral Reforms**

An overwhelming majority of Pakistanis, 85% believe that it is critical that the Election Commission of Pakistan’s functions need to be reformed and reconfigured.

In comparison, 67% people felt the need for electoral reforms in a poll upon the conclusion of 100 days of National and Provincial Governments in September 2013.
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52% Doesn’t Trust ECP**

This, correspondingly, is also reflected in the trust in the ECP in which 52% Pakistanis report little to no trust at all in the Election Commission of Pakistan. 44% Pakistanis have somewhat to a lot of trust in this vital institution.
This picture of a split mandate shows that at present Pakistanis remain uncertain about the Election Commission, while stating in clear terms that this institution needs to be reformed and changed as a matter of priority.

Given, the pressure for reforms and changes in the ECP, only **30% **Pakistanis believe that the next elections will be conducted in a much better fashion by the Election Commission. However, 26% Pakistanis have serious doubts about the Election Commission and believe that the ECP will fare worse in the next elections.

The Nationwide Poll was conceived and commissioned by PILDAT and conducted by Gallup Pakistan using the following Methodology:

**Sample Size: 3065; Coverage: National/Rural and Urban/All four provinces; Mode: Face to face; Survey dates: July 16 – August 6, 2014. Estimated error margin: +3-5% at 95% confidence level.
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tumhayn yaad ho ke naa yaad ho, hamayn yaad hay woh zara zaraa :wink:

Nawaz $harif then and now:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152351721554527