Pmln to setup military courts in Sindh

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Well I think he has blown away any chances that he might he might have had in sindh. He wants to establish military courts in sindh to curb dacoities, what about Punjab where crime has gone up manifolds during his brothers rule?

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/03/musharrafs-team-being-fostered-in-new-cantonment-nawaz.html

Nawaz says he will again set up military courts in Sindh

**KARACHI: Pakistan Muslim League-N chief Nawaz Sharif on Monday declared his party would again establish military courts in Sindh if voted to power in the next general election.

**Mr Sharif was speaking at the party’s Sindh Council meeting in a hotel. “If our government comes to power, it will ensure provision of electricity to each and every village and will set up military courts to eliminate dacoit rule in the province,” he said.

**It was during the second tenure of the PML government (1997 to 1999) that military courts were set up in Sindh for cases related to terrorism, violence and dacoity.**Apart from uncontrolled robberies in the interior of Sindh, Karachi went through unprecedented violence during the period. A military operation had also been carried out in the city to bring the situation under control.

The Supreme Court ordered abolition of the military courts after one of them awarded capital punishment to an accused in a murder case.

The PML-N chief accused the PPP government of destroying institutions and making life of the common man miserable.

“If the government is sincere with democracy it should immediately hold elections to strengthen democracy,” he added.

Had the government implemented the Charter of Democracy (CoD), the PML-N would have been working with President Zardari in sorting out problems, Mr Sharif added.

He said due to failure of the present government some people had landed in the field with new slogans. “They are all tested people and their game cannot last long.”

Referring to reorganisation of the party and its new office-bearers, he expressed hopes that the time was not far off when people would vote the PML-N to power.

Mr Sharif announced that he would visit the interior of Sindh soon for mass contact.

The PML-N chief said he was confident that the drive would get a good response since the people were angry with the government over its apathy to flood victims.

**MEETING WITH ZARDARI
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Earlier, talking to the media at the airport he ruled out any meeting with President Zardari, who is staying in Karachi, saying he was not aware who was keen to arrange such a meeting.

Mr Sharif said he did not know about Balochistan Chief Minister Aslam Raisani’s statement regarding a meeting between him and President Zardari.In reply to a question about new provinces, the PML-N chief said: “We are all for smaller administrative units in the country, but oppose carving out of units on linguistic grounds.”

Without naming any party, Mr Sharif said “those who are talking about carving out new provinces, will ultimately ask for division of Sindh”, but “we will not support formation of a province on ethnic basis”.

He said although some people in his party were in favour of resigning from the National Assembly, he opposed the idea as “we don’t want to destabilise the assemblies”.Later, Mr Sharif called on ailing singer Mehdi Hasan and actor Lehri, presenting them with a cheque for Rs2.5 million each from Punjab’s culture department.

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That's a brilliant idea, balochistan and nwfp are already with the army, add sindh to the list to prove the fact that it's Punjab's army which is trying to subjugate the rest of the country. These ae the people who want to come to power for the third time, I don't think he has learnt anything from the past.

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Awww gunja sharif doesn’t belief in CJ Ifti? :hehe:

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NS hasn’t learned anything from his past mistakes by allowing military intervention in civil affairs :smack: Is it the only thing he can offer to Sindh?

Issay kehte hain ek teer se do shikar karte hue apne paon pe kulhari maar girana. polla akher polla ea aey!

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http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=29916PM regrets Nawaz’s statement on military courts**ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani expressed regret over the statement of PML-N president Nawaz Sharif calling for military courts in Karachi.
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**Speaking on the floor of the National Assembly the prime minister said there was no need for military courts in a democracy and the Rangers were already deployed in the metropolis to maintain peace. **

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Lagta hay "Ameer-ul-Momneen" ka dimagh ghaas khaanay chala jaata hay every now and then.

And he has learned nothing from his past mistakes!

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Anti-terrorism (military courts) were also set up in Punjab by the Nawaz Sharif govt in the late 1990's to try sectarian terrorists. Not just in Karachi / Sindh.

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Thanks for updating my knowledge. Still in a civilian government there shouldnt be any room for military courts, the judicial system as a whole needs to be reformed.

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Someone tell Miansaab opening mil courts is not same as opening tandoors
sasti roti is not same as sasta insaaf
but sasta insaaf can provide sasti roti

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That supid NS with siri paai and gajrela in his brain, forgot how he gave tamghay to military officers for killing nine teen ager poor farmers near Hyderabad by a firing squad by lining them up facing the wall. All this was done to grab the land from a poor lady. It was Sindhi press which brought this horririble news to media and the military officers involved in killings were arrested. Sindh was about to revolt but timely action by military higher ups stopped another Bengladesh. Those killer officers were court marshalled and shot to death for killing innocent Sindhi farmes. Retard NS has forgotten this ugly episode, but people of Sindh have not and will never forget his hatred against Sindhi population.:(

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I think you are getting confuse. Anti-terrorist courts and military courts are two different things. Both violated human rights, both were unjust, both were introduced by Nawaz, and both were used by Nawaz to victimize his political opponents. However, objection people are raising is not towards Anti-terrorist courts, but towards military courts. History is:

Anti-terrorist courts: Nawaz brought an ordinance introducing Anti-terrorist act that came into effect in Aug 1977 and Anti-terrorist courts were established all over Pakistan.

To control the court proceedings according to Nawaz wishes, court judges were selected from magistrates by Nawaz government at government discretion. An Anti-terrorist appeal tribunal was also established by Nawaz government using judges from lower courts on discretion of government. Right of appeal for those who get convicted by Anti terrorist court, was restricted to Anti-terrorist appeal tribunal only.

Anyhow, High and Supreme courts did entertained some appeals, and later Supreme court declared numbers of anti-terrorist act clauses anti-constitutional. So, Nawaz brought in amended anti-terrorist ordinance in Oct 1998. Nawaz was convicted by anti-terrorist court and could have got death sentence if Musharraf wanted that.

Anti-terrorist courts kept working in Pakistan until President Musharraf disbanded this court in Nov 2002.

[So, in effect, anti-terrorist courts operated for around 4 years in Pakistan ... from Aug 1997 to Nov 2002]

**Military courts: **Nawaz brought in an ordinance in Nov 1998. It was ordinance for armed forces to act in aid of civil power applicable only to Sindh (at the time Nawaz had imposed governor rule in Sindh). The ordinance gave broad judicial power to military, establishing military courts in Sindh, especially in karachi, and there was no appeal outside military authorities against the verdict of military courts. In effect, Nawaz imposed martial law over Sindh. In Feb 1999, Supreme court declared Nawaz ordinance establishing military courts as unconstitutional.

[So, in effect, military courts operated for around 3 months in Sindh ... from Nov 1998 to Feb 1999]

In theory, using the ordinance Nawaz could have established military court anywhere in Pakistan but ordinance was Sindh specific. Nawaz in Supreme court tried his best to defend his decision by claiming that Military court in Sindh is temporary measure and is only confined to Sindh (as if Sindh is Nawaz’s occupied territory so he could deal with Sindh whatever way he likes).

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^^^

Sachaydinho/saleem:

With this logic there shouldn't be a military operation in FATA too.. I am in favor of our military operation in FATA but trying to highlight the flaw in your logic. Karachi law and order situation has been worse compared to FATA even a few months ago ( our memories are very short).. and there were demands of handing over Karachi to military by Karachi Chamber of Commerce, ANP, a huge segment of MQM/PPP supporters. Why blame Nawaz only in this case.

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ganja pagal ho gaya.

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You cannot compare situation in Karachi with situation in FATA. If there is any problem in Karachi then it is problem of law and order, similar to law and order problem all around Punjab and interior Sindh. Here, no one is trying to replace government writ with their writ over the area. It is duty of civil institutions like police to handle law and order problems and civil courts to deal with determining and punishing crimes. Government cannot bring army to handle law and order by disbanding courts and starting military courts. If government cannot handle situation with police than government can take limited help from army, still there can be no justification of bypassing civil courts and establishing military courts in the area, as that is effectively martial law. If any government would ever do that at one place then it would be invitation for the people of that area to get alienated feeling themselves as being occupied people and thus struggle for independence from occupation (what happened in Bengal). Thus, if such situation arises that government has to use military courts in civilian matters even at one place than it is better, for sake of country, that government resigns and let army rule the country directly.

As for FATA, problem is of insurgency and rebellion, where armed groups (Taliban, etc) are trying to establish their influence on Pakistani soil using arms and want to enforce their own version of law and order in that area. In effect, these groups are challenging and wanting to replace writ of Pakistan with their own writ. If Pakistan keeps quite and leave them to impose their writ (law and order) on Pakistani areas then it means Pakistan surrendering those area to these insurgents or rebels, something no government can afford. If government cannot subjugate these insurgents or rebels using police force, than to establish writ of Pakistan and reclaim any area Pakistan lost to these insurgents or rebels, Pakistan has to use armed forces and if necessary can also use military courts in these areas bypassing civil courts.

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In a democracy (with a functional judicial system) there is no justification for military courts…

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012/01/door-to-military-courts-shut-forever-says-cjp/

Door to military courts shut forever, says CJP

ISLAMABAD -** Seemingly in response to a statement of Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) President Nawaz Sharif about setting up military courts in Karachi, which was widely reported in the media and criticised by the political parties, Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry observed on Wednesday that there was no room at all for military courts in the country as a constitutional court of ultimate jurisdiction had already shut doors for such courts forever.
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Heading an 11-member larger bench of the Supreme Court hearing a presidential reference filed by President Asif Ali Zardari under Article 186 of the constitution seeking to revisit the death sentence of former prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the chief justice said the system was being run by the constitution and not by military courts. He said supremacy of the constitution was connected with its strict adherence by the judiciary, adding that the court had rejected the military courts’ law in the Liaquat Hussain case in the past.

Referring to dictatorial regimes in the country, he categorically said past adventurism was enough, so everybody should make it clear that there was no way out for military rule in the country. At the outset of the hearing, Sindh Advocate General Fateh Malik, who appeared on notice, defended the presidential reference saying that the author and architect of the constitution of Pakistan – Bhutto - was hanged, so his case demanded that justice must be done. He said, in fact, the reference was not filed to seek revisiting of the Bhutto case, but to get an opinion of the court on questions of law raised in the reference.

The chief justice observed that the court would deliver an exemplary judgement in the reference, so it had to judge whether it could revisit any duly decided case or not under Article 186 of constitution.

He said the president, being constitutional head of the state, was the president for all. He said it would be better if the presidential reference was defended on legal and constitutional grounds instead of emotional arguments.

The advocate general contended that the apex court had heard Nawaz Sharif’s case after years by expanding its jurisdiction, upon which the chief justice noted that his case was not filed under Article 186 of the constitution.

“Is parliament authorised to declare judicial decisions null and void?” Justice Mian Saqib Nisar asked the advocate general, adding that parliament was the platform for the presidential reference. Justice Sarmad Jalal Osmany noted that the Bhutto case was a unique case in the history of Pakistan, adding that the law was the same for everyone.

In his arguments, federation’s counsel Babar Awan stated that under the constitution the court was bound to hear the questions of law raised in the presidential reference. One of the amicus curiae, Fakhruddin G Ebrahim, submitted that the court had to decide whether the trial in the Bhutto case was legal or illegal and what was its jurisdiction with respect to Article 186 of the constitution and the presidential reference.

He however submitted that one of the judges of the bench that had heard the Bhutto case had confessed in a television programme that he was under immense pressure to deliver a verdict against Bhutto. He said that was enough evidence of a biased approach in the trial. He said that during the martial law period, judges had one eye on the law and the other on the GHQ, as military dictators kept judges in their pockets.

Another amicus curiae Abdul Hafeez Pirzada submitted that it was the prerogative of the president to decide which matter had public importance and might be sent to the Supreme Court for its opinion. He said there was no plea in the reference, but it only sought the opinion of the apex court.

Quoting a recent verdict of the Supreme Court, he said for supremacy of the constitution, Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry had also declared the appointment of 102 judges illegal.
The court then adjourned further hearing for Thursday (today).

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Not that I favor what is happening in FATA completely (i have laid out what i want before), but isn't there a difference in status in karachi viz FATA?