PMLN delegation visits 90

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I think this is less time consuming.

Did Bhutto break up Pakistan

Khalid Hasan writes about the charges levelled against Z.A. Bhutto about his role in the crisis of 1971 which resulted in the emergence of Bangladesh

**A charge against Bhutto that does not go away is that had he not declared at a Nishtar Park Karachi public meeting, addressing Mujibur Rehman, “Uddhar tum, iddhar hum.” (You stay there, we stay here), Pakistan would have remained united. These words are said to have set the seal on Pakistan’s dismemberment. The truth is that these words were never said by Bhutto. It was Abbas Athar, news editor of the Lahore Urdu daily Azad, who ran the Bhutto speech under this brilliant though misleading headline.
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Abbas Athar was a past master at thinking up such startling headlines. This famous headline appeared in Azad on March 15, 1971. What Bhutto had said was, “If power is to be transferred to the people before a constitutional settlement, then it is only fair that in East Pakistan, it should go to the Awami League and in the West to the Pakistan People’s Party, because while the former is the majority party in that wing, we have been returned by the people of this side.”

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lols. jiyalas always face ta-hayaat things. ta-hayaat chairperson.. ta-hayaat bans (j/k)

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What you heard is propaganda for those who like to live with propaganda and do not care to know or even find out truth.

Pakistan never had URDU as sole national language status while Bengal was with Pakistan, so why blame Babe-e-Urdu?

*Pakistan had no national language until 1956 and in 1956 URDU and BENGLA both became Pakistan national language (English getting used as Pakistan official language).
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After 1956, all Pakistani currency, stamps and official documents had both languages on them and for all purpose where URDU could be used in Pakistan for official work, use of BANGLA was also an option.

In 1973 when Pakistan was making correction about language after fall of East Pakistan, Pakistan government used parliament to decide what should be done.

In NA, parliamentarians voted to make URDU as sole national language (keeping English as official language) and showed intention to replace English with URDU as official language in near future.

As for provinces: Punjab, Sarhad (KPK), and Baluchistan voted to make Urdu as their sole provincial language.

Sindh voted to make Sindhi as sole provincial language of Sindh, so riot broke out in Sindh, and in the end, Sindh changed that to make Urdu and Sindhi as provincial language of Sindh.

So, why so much ignorance about language issue?

Actually URDU was chosen to make National language of Pakistan because since time of Mughals, even though language of court was Persian, Urdu was widely used by educated people (be they Muslim, Hindu or Sikh), especially Muslims all over subcontinent to communicate with each other.

English (not language but rulers) for same reason promoted URDU in subcontinent replacing Persian as lower court language though they replaced Persian with English as upper court language.

Lahore became the center point of URDU during English rule and Punjab became bastion of Urdu support, and that is the reason Urdu writers and poets (even during pre-1947 British rule) were mostly from Punjab and that is true even now (after 1947).

So why so much ignorance?

Fact is that, Bengalis were most pro-Pakistan but discrimination, not accepting them as equal and giving Bengal un-equal rights and bad treatment, caused their disenchantment with Pakistan. They wanted to get their rights within Pakistan but people of West Pakistan due to their ignorance (or self-interest) and propaganda from haram-khor west Pakistan ruling class took that (at least portrayed that) as desire for Bengal to secede.

It seems that Pakistan ruling elites (mostly from northern Punjab) do lot of propaganda and declare all Pakistani communities (especially people as well as leaders from outside Punjab) wanting and talking about their rights and equal treatment within Pakistan as traitor ... or people wanting separation from Pakistan … as if loyalty to these haram-khor corrupt elites mean loyalty to Pakistan and accepting their right to exploit Pakistan (about whom they do not care) as their birth right… and if any Pakistani talks about their right and protest against exploitation (especially if that Pakistani is not from Punjab) then to these elites it means disloyalty towards Pakistan and desire for separation ... and to protect their exploitation, these haram-khors do all sorts of propaganda against such Pakistanis, portraying them as traitor then persecuting them using state machinery they control).

Urdu does not belong to any community or area. It is different matter that some adopted Urdu earlier then others for their own good and convenience.

Urdu has words from all Muslim languages (Arabic, Persian, Turkish) and have grammatical structure plus words that is common amongst local languages of northern subcontinent (Punjabi, Hindko, Saraki, Sindhi, Rajisthani, Purbi, Gujrati, Bengla, etc) … so, politicians of Pakistan decided that they can use Urdu to bind Pakistani diverse nationalities into one nationality.

Bengal protested and thus Pakistan in 1956 (that is when Pakistan got its first constitution) got divided between Bengali (East) and Urdu (West) Pakistan. That not only divided the nation but created immense misunderstanding, mistrust, exploitation and deprivation … resulting in separation from each other (Bengal became independent from Pakistan).

Separate language gave people of both wings separate identity to build on and caused difficulty in becoming and thinking as one nation. Exploitation by haram-khor ruling elites was seen by Bengalis as their exploitation by another nation (Urdu speaking Punjabis) rather than exploitation of haram-khor community of same nationality.

These haram-khor elites were exploiting west Pakistan too, especially under-privileged communities from Punjab, KPK, Sindh and Baluchistan. But in West Pakistan due to language (Urdu), country was getting together as one nation, and hence many exploited people saw exploitation of haram-khor elites as exploitation by people of same nationality (Urdu Pakistan). Though there were exception in Baluchistan and interior Sindh where people saw them as people of different nationality (Punjabi) ... but with time, due to same language (Urdu) making each other understand better, people are getting united as one nation, though most from outside northern Punjab are raising voices against their getting exploited, but also realizing that at ground level, all are one and are equally getting exploited by haram-khor elites.

Anyhow, it seems some powers want to play same game in remaining Pakistan too.

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LOL the actual FACT is .

“The Pakistani elite at that time was composed mainly of Urdu-speaking migrants from northern India. Their language and culture were not indigenous to the areas that formed Pakistan.”

.till 72 UP/CP Muslims had a hegemony , not only over the constructed national narrative …but also on bureaucracy …and especially media… the print media..

..the 3% minority …mostly ICS officers …who did not have roots in these land were the rulers …they neither had the capacity to understand local cultures …nor the will to do so…

…“The most important of the interpretations of the Objectives Resolution thus was that it required all to abandon their languages and cultures and adopt the one ordained as Islamic by the ruling class. Baba-i-Urdu Molvi Abdul Haq is on record to have said that all languages of the subcontinent, except Urdu, are languages of kafirs and thus have no place in this Islamic country. The lofty Islamic ideals belittled and demeaned all things local. “Provincialism” was propagated as a scourge and “lisani” (linguistic) labelled an evil.”…

and i have heard he even did a dharna for it ..

Dialogue, NOS, The News International

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…and regarding Urdu … in my personal opinion its nothing but persianized hindi …period.

patronized by the British at Fort William College Calcutta … Muslims because of Persian influence of the court …took it readily …and adopted it …

Read Shams ur Rehamn Farooqi an authority on the Urdu …he has even said …that 80-90% roots of Urdu words are actually in Sanskrit… Period.

“When in the beginning of the 19th century, at the Fort William College, Calcutta, John Borthwick Gilchrist brought together Lallu Lal, Sadal Misra, Mir Amman, Mir Bahadur Ali, Haidar Bakhsh Haidari, Kazim Ali Jawan, Mazhar Ali Khan Wila, Nihal Chand, Sher Ali Afsos, and others, and set then to make translations from Persian and Braj Bhasha, the problem of the name, character, standard, and style of the language selected for employment was posed. Throughout the 19th century, the problem continued to draw attention, and in some decades the discussion raged with great vehemence.”…

“. A number of names have been used in this connection; among them are Bhasha, Hindvi, Hindi, Hindustani, Zaban-i-Dehlavi, Khari Boli, Madhyadesh ki Boli, Rekhta, Zaban-i-Urdu-i-Mualla, Urdu. Of these names Hindi, Hindustani, and Urdu are more important”

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…the Question …why Punjabis took readily to Urdu …

well
1- Persian court … Persian being the official hence dominant language … was eagrly sought because it was the language of power…just like English today is the language of Power.

2- Deliberate British policy of De-Punjabaziation of Punjab .
…British annexed Sindh in 1839 …and Punjab ten years later in 1949 …they retained Sindhi as the official language of Sindh …yet introduced Urdu as the official language …in order to " …tame the wild Punjabi with modern languages …’ …and the first thing they did…was throw out the " Punjabi Qaida ’ … this Punjabi Qaida was a must in each and every home …by the decree of Ranjeet Singh …and British own sources …tell that at places in Punjab the literacy rate was as high as 80% … education was secular , modern , and both Girls and Boys were educated… and all three that is Hindus , Sikhs and Muslims were educated … in their respective Madrassa, Dharamshalla and Gurdwara Schools ..
..this Punjabi Qaida was probably the prototype for Urdu …

reference : Leinter’s report and Dharampal ’ writing " the Beautiful tree ’ …

http://www.apnaorg.com/articles/dawn-88/

and

http://www.eshiusa.org/TheBeautifulTreeArticles.htm

3- Sufi influence … muslims sufis insisted on using Persian script… .the first consequence rather victim was the Punjabi language itself… post Mughal period …the new Punjabi language …then developed two scripts… Shah Mukhi and Gurmukhi …

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Almost all sufis and our rulers were Persian speaking therefore it made sense to have it as the court's language. Just like today (due to globalization) English is impacting languages of the world, previously it was Persian, Turkish and Arabic which had its impact on local languages.

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yes... its a historical natural phenomenon

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another dead issue?
whats progress? how many ministries MQM got in federal govt? has case against Bhai been dropped or any arrest is expected soon? whats the deal, presidential election gone, by-election gone, now what?

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^ are you on digging spree today? :D

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^ : D MQM ki Deengain sun kar yaad aya k unkay 1 month pehlay deengain check ki jain kahan tak pohnchi