PML(N) did it again

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^ ^ NS doesnt want to be a president. He wants to be the PM and thats why he wanted amendment where it would allow a person to become PM the third time. he also wanted all the powers transferred to PM so he could enjoy them since he is PM in waiting.

Zardari kept his promise this time but NS became road block. His U turn seems so unnatural that one gets the idea that strings are being pulled by some one else behind the scene.

This will surely bring bad publicity to PMLN and gives a chance to PPP to act like victims again.

I believe if there is too much controversies about the name of NWFP then they should have a referendum. Few leaders should not be allowed to name a whole province, its not their jagir anymore.

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another U-turn by NS. Now he is saying all this crises is because Govt “all of a sudden” announced to produce the 18th amendment in assembly. Janey na janey gul hee na janey, bagh tu sara janey hai :hoonh:

in addition now he is saying cancel 17th amendment before presenting 18th what a waste of nihari and paya

cool minded Raza Rabbani is taking hard stance saying that reforms committe will not discuss decided topic again (i.e Judges appointment)

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All TV talk shows were discussing these issues since weeks and PML N leaders are always there. Do he think the nation a fool.
What is real motto behind this move but Najam Sethi has predicted this weeks before but his view was that JUI, MQM or ANP will do this.

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By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: Nawaz Sharif has started receiving all the brickbats for which he has to squarely blame himself. He was not upfront on Thursday as he normally appears.** He should have admitted loudly that it was actually the Pakhtoonkhwa issue that provoked him to harp on something unbelievable.
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Nobody, not even his own party leaders, is willing to buy the justifications that their boss offered at his press talk. These were totally unconvincing even to discerning souls. And on *Friday Ishaq Dar, who is a member of the Rabbani Committee, is reported to have admitted that the real bone of contention was the renaming of the NWFP and not the recommended formation of the judicial commission for the appointment of judges in the superior judiciary.
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Today, Nawaz Sharif stands singled out politically and that too on a popular issue of correcting the disfigured Constitution. Not even a solitary political party shares his stand. He has never faced such isolation in the recent past.

On the contrary, all the parliamentary groups, by and large, stand with the government in the sense that all of them back the proposed 18th Amendment. By supporting the package, they in fact are honouring their commitment that they demonstrated during the deliberations of the Raza Rabbani Committee.

President Asif Ali Zardari must be excited with joy and excitement over seeing Nawaz Sharif pushed in a corner. As the situation has built up and the PML-N chief pushed in an embarrassing situation, he will have to review his stand that he took at his press conference without any delay or he would earn more flak in the days to come.

He would be held as the sole person responsible if at the end of the day the good work done by the Rabbani Committee, including his own nominees, was consigned to the dustbin. He has to rise above petty political expediencies.

The PML-N’s U-turn on the constitutional package is simply incomprehensible and is in bad taste too. The PML-N chief referred to the recommended procedure for the appointment of judges as the main point of disagreement which is simply unbelievable. The whole world knows that it was a settled issue as far as the constitutional committee was concerned but still Sharif opted to take refuge behind it to shy away from the real bone of contention — the renaming of the Frontier province.

It would be in the greater interest of Pakistan if Mian Sahib backtracks what he said on Thursday, sits with Asfandyar Wali and settles the issue of renaming the NWFP, and should not press for any informal consultations with the Chief Justice of Pakistan on an issue that is the property of parliament.

Ansar Abbasi got it right...Pakhtunkhawa is the main issu, but he deos't want to anger Pashtun aswel-stuck in middle BECHARA.He will be needed ANP help in Pakhtunkhawa in next election so better to keep in mind that one aswel.

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coming to the issue you know i thought we would need another 5 years (next PMLN) govt to get to know nawaz sharif party and get sick of it but i guess in this current PPP term both of these large parties would proven to the public view as idiotic, greedy, opportunists, and without any intellect and real vision just a band of rich individuals and feudals and theyll know they need them no more.

we need someone else and we need badly to run this country properly as an entity not as a their inheritance.

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This is from Jang-Geo group who are always playing role in favor of N$.

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**Which foreign player threw spanner in the works?’ **

        By Rauf Klasra                              ISLAMABAD: The foreign minister of a European country is said to have  quietly played a role in delaying the tabling of the 18th Amendment in  Parliament, fearing that the proposed “demolition” of the office of the  president through these sweeping changes might not be good news for all  the stakeholders of the state.

One credible source has revealed that apart from this overseas intervention, which immediately halted the otherwise smooth proceeding, the military establishment too was not happy with the unprecedented autonomy being given to the provinces in the new constitutional package as it sent alarm bells ringing within the ranks of powerful establishment for some obvious reasons.

One top source claimed that the controversy over the mode of appointment of judges, seen as the main reason behind the PML-N’s sudden U-turn, was just an eyewash. He said every member of the parliamentary committee knew very well that the PML-N had completely agreed to this mode of appointment of judges as even Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhary had appreciated this new system and the media had carried his remarks the same day when Nawaz Sharif blocked the move to table the bill in the house. The sources said this issue was used to cover the real story behind this dramatic shift in the mind of top guns of the PML-N.

Giving inside information, one source revealed that the foreign minister of a European country made telephone calls to some politicians in Pakistan, urging them not to show haste in passing this constitutional package, as there were some reservations in the minds of certain players, which should be discussed and addressed before giving the package a final shape. The foreign minister was of the opinion that the office of the president was a sort of balancing factor between the military and the civilian leadership in a country like Pakistan. The concentration of massive powers even in the hands of a democratically elected prime minister would not be a wise decision at this stage. It was argued that in the past, the country had seen some unpleasant events because of power imbalance, which led to the imposition of military rule.

The sources said the office of the president was being reduced to such a shocking level through these amendments that now he would be required to first seek approval of his foreign trips from the prime minister. Likewise, the prime minister would be asked to give approval to run the kitchen of the Presidency. The sources said traditionally the military establishment had felt comfortable with the president enjoying powers to dissolve the National Assembly and make appointment of the service chiefs. To prove the point how the military dealt with prime ministers with such powers, the source said the first time these sweeping powers were vested in Zulifkar Ali Bhutto under the 1973 Constitution, he was hanged by the military. Then Nawaz Sharif got the same powers in 1997 when he tried to become Amirul Momineen, he was sent into exile. On the other hand, the military never felt any threat from the political prime ministers when these powers were in the hands of the president, as we saw in the case of Ghulam Ishaq Khan and Farooq Leghari, whom the Army backed against elected prime ministers.

The sources said in this background, there were certain fears in the minds of some key players that though PM Gilani might not become an autocrat but who would guarantee that Nawaz Sharif, if he became the prime minister for the third time, would not try to repeat his performance of October 12, 1999.

Likewise, the source said, the military was not happy with the extraordinary level of provincial autonomy being offered to the provinces as, in some cases, they were being allowed to frame their own laws without seeking any advice from the Federation. The sources said the military still was in favour of a strong federal role in the affairs of the provinces in the given situation as it always suited its strategic interests. The rising wave of nationalism in Balochistan was a serious cause of worry for the military establishment and it was still not in a mood to allow the nationalist forces to play a dominant role in the provinces. Likewise, the establishment feared rise of nationalism in the NWFP after renaming of the province. All these factors were on the minds of those who were quietly trying to get this bill either delayed or changed to suit their interests.

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Yaar Parhay likhay jaahil (i am assuming you are educated) are biggest threat to our country. Why the hell can't you come out of this ethnic bakwas and support your country.
Do you think these people really represent Punjabis or Pakistanis? These greedy morons only represent themselves, how much do you really think they care about an average Punjabi???
And Punjab do not love Pakistan???WTF??hundreds of thousands lost their lives in 1947 and thousands of soldiers are giving lives fighting our enemies.
Open up your mind, people who brainwashed you all these years aren't really doing any favour to the country.

I am from Punjab and i can tell you that Ganja bros do NOT represent us. Yes they keep getting votes in Punjab because of mentality of average Pakistani (you have same mentality unfortunately).

Everyone knows Altaf is a retard gangster but he keeps getting more and more seats every year....why????

Whole world knows Zardari is most corrupt person in Pakistan (probably one of the worst in the world) but he still enjoys massive support in Sindh, people in Sindh think Punjabis can't tolerate a Sindhi preseident and that's why they are against him.

I don't know what has ANP achieved in NWFP but they keep on winning there.

Lastly, no matter how corrupt, jahil and Zaalim a Nawab of Balochistan is they just keep winning without anyone stopping them.

All these people represent their GREED only.

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If we have fair elections the next time around, I hope NS and Shabaz are given a nice swift shot in the groin from the electorate. Assuming the average voter understands the situation.

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Doubt it. They will win more votes than even last time. PPP will suffer a huge defeat but they will come back strongly the following general election.

There are definitely educated people who do care about these things and change their votes but they are outnumbered by jahils who will keep voting their Maliks, Sumros, Chauhdharis, Bugtis and Achakzais etc

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…and on third day, he took 3rd U turn. Now he is saying he will even agree to current 18th amendment if judicial appointment committee does not have Baber Awan in the committee. What a waste of nihari-paeey ! Such demand I can only expect from my 5 and 8 years old kids that “xxx ko nahiee bulana, yyyy k saath nahi khilana”.

as far as Ansar Abbasi’s article is concerned, he is just trying to save his boss. Real issue is that NS does not want that in future credit is given to PPP’s govt for the restoration of Constitution. Although all of the parties participated equally but history will always say “PPP’s govt did that” just like people say “Imran Khan won the world cup”

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Judge Kar Lo Ya Boot Chattay raho
It is the aim of the life of N$

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Yes wishful thinking I know..

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Zardari is doing the right thing, and people are finally realising what a snake Sharif is

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I am sure N$ has some hidden problem which he can not make public. May be some agreement or deal while coming back home and second problem for him is Nisar and Sh..baz.
Both wanted to use him but not to make him......
N$ removed SH..baz as president of PML N but could not become president himself.
" Kuchh to hay Jis ki Parda dari hay "

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DAWN.COM | Front Page | Nawaz sticks to stand on judges issue

Seriously this guy is really messing with the country right now. Put aside petty differences and get it done for the country. I really wish you could just beat the crap out of some people.

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There is another story too.
** Pakistan’s Chief Justice Takes on its Political Class **

  • TIME MAGAZINE
    Pakistan’s Chief Justice Takes on its Political Class To his supporters, and there are many, Pakistan’s Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry is a hero, a man of honor who stood up for an independent judiciary and defied the diktats of former President Pervez Musharraf — and who continues to hold the political establishment accountable. To his detractors, however, Chaudhry is an activist jurist with unbridled powers, a populist with g*****ose political ambitions. In a country where politics can get very personal, the Chief Justice’s relationships with the pillars of civilian and military power, President Asif Ali Zardari and Army Chief of Staff General Ashfaq Kayani respectively, could be important in shaping Pakistan’s transition from de facto military rule to civilian democracy. And those relationships are likely to be tested in the tussle over a package of wide-ranging constitutional reforms that was due to be introduced to parliament on Friday, whose purpose is to reverse changes made by previous military rulers, trim the power of the presidency, and alter the procedure for Supreme Court appointments. The bill would take Supreme Court appointments out of the hands of the president, who now makes nominations after consulting with the chief justice, and place them before a government legal committee that also includes several justices. Unlike the present system, judges would have to be confirmed by a parliamentary vote. The proposed reforms have widened the rift between Chaudhry and the government that has grown since the Chief Justice last year struck down amnesty decrees by Musharraf that protected many senior figures in government — including Zardari himself once out of office — from prosecution on corruption charges. And some saw the Chief Justice’s hand in the eleventh-hour stalling of parliamentary debate on the package on Friday by opposition leader Nawaz Sharif, who objected to proposals on the selection of judges. Sharif’s opposition, some senior politicians suggest, results from being pressured by Chaudhry, who is allegedly opposed to having his own power in the selection of judges curtailed. “The chief justice threatened [Sharif]. He said he’d open up all cases against him,” a senior leader of the ruling Pakistan People’s Party said on condition of anonymity. “He’s become an absolute dictator.” On the contrary, says a legal expert at the Supreme Court and Chaudhry associate speaking on condition of anonymity, the conflict is caused by the “government [wanting] a chief justice and court which is compliant, not independent.” The standoff over how judges are selected could have far-reaching implications in a political order feeling its way towards democracy, with the different branches of government are “attempting to first stretch the bounds of their authority and second, to learn how to work with each other,” says Samina Ahmed, Pakistan director for the International Crisis Group, a global policy-research center. “The problem in Pakistan has [historically] been with the military’s intervention, transitions have been disrupted, and the judiciary in the past has supported every military intervention.” But as the two civilian branches of government tussle over their powers, neither appears to have clear backing from the military, whose preferences are often decisive. Still, some Pakistani media commentators suggest that the generals may be colluding with the judges to limit the power of government, already groaning under the weight of the president’s sagging popularity. They point to a stalled but soon-to-be-reopened Supreme Court case that accuses intelligence agencies of using the “war on terror” as a pretext to secretly detain thousands of citizens suspected of links to Baluchi separatists and other radical groups. The local Dawn newspaper reported last month that Supreme Court Justice Javed Iqbal said that the court “would not like to create the impression that it was out to destroy or tarnish the image of intelligence agencies” with regard to these cases. Chaudhry had in 2007 begun to investigate the issue of Pakistanis alleged to have disappeared into secret custody before he was deposed by Musharraf, and had ordered members of the security forces to produce several of the missing in court. Now, some media commentators are suggesting that Chaudhry is retreating from that fight. Chaudhry’s supporters deny the claim, and say that the court will not shy away from prosecuting any security officials who have broken the law. Whatever the outcome of the particular battles over constitutional powers and various court cases, what remains clear is that Justice Chaudhry, while holding an office that is ostensibly above politics, will remain in the thick of it. http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...975646,00.html

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But see their past.
SC dismisses former PML-N MNA’s plea against suspension

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