Plight of Christians in Righteous Pakistan

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^ :yawn:

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^ yeah push it deep in your throat. Let me know when it reaches your lungs.

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Came across this. I hope the sons of Ummah will behave better than depicted should the concept of Ummah were to materialize.

Your point is verizon saab? That you like concentrate on the few who are behaving as idiots and ignore the rest who might be doing something right? Is it really so tough?

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Madhanee, tell me where in Islam it says to chase muslims out of your country and make their life a living hell?

Christians were allowed to live in areas controlled by the Islamic empire back in the day. And I dont know of any incident where the Prophet ever put a church to fire.

Like I said, in that other thread. Its easy to pick out verses and hadith's and twist them and then accuse Islam of being the intolerant one. I think you should know better than that. You read the same Quran I do. People in Pakistan who think they're doing Islam a big favor by hurting harmless Christians in Pakistan have no idea about the Quran. I've seen many such extremists in my visits to Karachi parading around on the streets and chanting some crap in Arabic - I bet they dont even know what they're saying.

Its a great deal of ignorace, piled up over centuries. Read a couple books on Islamic history and on how the empire fell, and how its been worsening every year since.

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As I mentioned to WiseOne Muslim Queen mohtrama. Read the first three words of my post #1.

Here let me save your lazy ass the trouble.

"Came across this"

Now I didnt go searching and even if I did, thats shouldnt be your concern, since you dont pay for my internet connection. Anyhow I was searching for a particular place called "Thandiyani" . It's 10,000ft above sea level close to abbottabad. There is a beautiful church there with a beautiful library, but no Xtians (they all left or were massacred).....

So far the justifications that I have read here just in this thread alone are very promising that all Dhimmis will be protected and not persecuted. Yeah Now I am all for the Ummah, hell I may even convert to avoid paying zakkat and getting taxed.

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PCG, I asked MQ and let me ask you. Do you believe that Homosexuality is a Sin, and Gays should be killed, and Adulterers (even consenting ones) should be stoned to death. Yes or No? It is written in the Quran and there are plenty of Hadiths to support that. Do you believe that a woman’s testimony is only 1/4th the worth of a Man’s? I don’t know what Islam you are talking about, because the keepers of Islam wont even recognize you as a Muslim, let alone a human being. They won't even let women run a marathon in Pakistan. They justify their actions by siting Quran and Islam. I don't know who to believe, you or them.

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How about Quran?

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Why do you have to listen to what keepers of Quran and PCG are saying, pick up the book, read it and make up your mind. Educate yourself about your own religion Madhanee its quite rewarding you will find out InshAllah.

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Now verizon where did i say anything about your ermm ideas or issues?

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PCG - Unfortunately it is not pick and choose incidents we are talking about. From the tax on people for practicing another religion to the laws on blasphemy and the fact that there the testimony of 4 is needed to refute the testimony of one. This isn't a flash in the pan, it has been going on for years.

Now, this may not be Islamic to do this but it is being done in the name of Islam. Pakistan prides itself on being an Islamic nation, right down to declaring their war dead to be matyred in fighting for Islam (not Pakistan). So, this is how it is percieved.

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Notsowise one, the topic is “Plight of Christians in Pakistan”,

Those who have been (and are being) persecuted because of their faith, don’t give a shyt about what true Islam says or what the Quran says. All they know is that they are being singled out because of what they believe in. On top of that what is piss-pour attitude among the denialists is that “Islam doesn’t say this, and Islam doesn’t do this…blah blah blah.” Fine, but what steps you think are needed to be taken so those who are flashing their Qurans in everyone’s faces are put in their place. Do you have guts to tell them to shove it? If you don’t then you are no different from them.

“Islam doesn’t say that” is an old mantra which is getting pretty tiring and boring to hear.

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You are right I stand corrected I meant AQ bhai, not you. Dont take it personally.

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On the bright side I must give credit to the indegenous muslims from Pakistan, they didn’t kill Christians on 9/11 in jubiliation over the WTC bombing.

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off topic but they sang my fav childhood song, " jeeya gayay tara rara rum". those are the ones u r talking about right?
i doubt they were being propagated as anything. everyone loved their songs.. they were kinda like nazia hassan, gorgeous women with awsome voice!

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sadly thats true, atleast from what i have seen in karachi. almost all the maasis n jamaydaars were christians in every house hold.
But at the same time i knew this girl whose father was a big shot in some government post, she was christian. i guess she was one of those 1% of it. it is very shameful for a muslim country to have this kind of discrimination.

P.S: Those who are complaining about plight of christians or hindus wagaira, what have u done personally to help the situation so far besides opening threads? what are the possible solution to the problem?

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That is not true. I don’t know about other parts of Pakistan, but Punjab is liberal enough not to make life difficult for non-Muslims. I have lived in Lahore throughout my life and have observed many people belonging the Christian community. A christian lady used to work at our house for washing and cleaning. Although, majority of them are very poor and backward, but it is not because they are forced to live this way. They are yet to make the progress. They are just like the poor and backward Muslims of the area.

As for those who have made their way into middle and elite class, I have never see friction between any Christian and Muslim. In my college (F.Sc), there were a few Christians guys. They had the option not to take Islamic Studies, instead were offered Pakistan Studies or some other course. Similarly, there were a few Christians in the University as well and they too mixed among the rest without any issues.

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Exactly my point. Muslims are very much capable of being an ass; it pisses me off when people start bad mouthing Islam. If they are being inhumane or discriminatory than don’t try and put the blame on Quran. It is so very interesting however that this behaviour is so common in humans regardless of their nationality and religion. I don’t see Americans who believe Abu gharib was an awful event, doing much to ensure it doesn’t happen again. Matter of fact they chose the very same administration in elections. Lazy people in every country and every religion, you happen to be living on the other side of issue.

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Another interesting thing is that what you call mullah regime has never been in power for a long period of time in Pakistan. So if non-Muslims are indeed suffering in Pakistan then the type of Musharraf and Benazeer are very much responsible. They DONOT shove Quran in people's face; hardly consult it when making a policy I’d say.

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Thats true. So many incidents have happened, as reported by newspapers and HRCP.

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Suroor Jee,
Benjamin Sisiters had talent, Iam not saying they were successful bcos they were xtian, my point is that in those dark days of Pak, muslim girls were discouraged from singing and dance form of fine arts. Thus, the state’s promotion of three xtian girls as singers for Tv and functions.

Nazia started her career with Suhail Rana’s tv show back in Bhutto’ days and her real fame came from the hit Indian movie…and yes, she was one of the most beautiful girls to be seen in Pakistan…