The following page is maintained by some out of mind idiot hindu radical. He has spitted out his utter most disgusting sicko feelings on this page against Islam and Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him). Although visiting the page would increase the hit #s, but this would give u idea of what he’s upto, but I just couldnt take much of nonsense. I sent a protest note to the webmaster requesting to purge this crap out, and I would ask all of you as well to please send a protesting note the web master at [email protected]
The site address is: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
This should also open up the eyes of all those india/hindu lovers, so called preachers of friendship and peace.
How come India Bashing and demonizing Hindu religion is acceptable to you but Islam bashing is not. I am confused. You can make your case stronger by objecting to bashing against ALL religions, nations, and not just when it is directed against your own only.
NY Ahmadi wrote: "You can make your case stronger by objecting to bashing against ALL religions, nations, and not just when it is directed against your own only."
Practice what you preach NY Ahmadi. I've never heard you object to those who bash Islam. In fact, your guilty of bashing Islam yourself.
KK, the internet is full of lies, it unregulated. Pay no attention to it, most people can see the bias in these cites. Only the naive are lead astray.
Dear NewYorker, iam sure you must have been pleased visiting that stinking site, seeing the 'noble literary work' of that moron. As for your point about country/religion bashing…well you can choose one of the two things; a logical opposition to a certain matter based on facts, historical proofs and ground realities, or you can close your eyes, deny the ground realities, and twist the facts so as to suite you point. I didn't wanna go that way but since you have raised this issue regarding my post in your thread under Minorites in Pakistan, so lets just sort it out.
In that thread, you follow the second path, without giving a much of thought about the political and social structure in Pakistan. If minorities were given the right to vote alongwith muslims voters, then you tell me how many non muslim candidates would be able to make it to the assemblies. You said you want to vote for the same person, who your neighbor voted for, true, kharra, sahee.
Lets just make up a hyothetical scenario: assuming minorities are allowed to vote for muslim candidates, and minorites are allowed to contest with muslim candidates, how many muslim voters would vote for you???
Keeping in mind, there's only 2% minorites, even if all non mulim voters from all over Pakistan had voted for your candidate (although impossible cuz remember we are running on an open competition bases, and where you live is your constituency), do you think a non-mulim candidate would have made it????? Then in that scenario, Iam sure you must then be shouting that minorites don't have ANY representation in government, legistalion. So tell me which situation is better, having some representation or having nothing at all? Further, current law grants seats to each religious minorites separately, you wouldn't have such luxary, if you are voting in a deseggregated environment. That's why I said, give it a little bitty thought before loading up your guns.
Now coming back to the issue of this nonsense site, pretty much same is the case with jerk hindu. If you are bent upon opposing something which u personally didn't like, then u would take whateve chance come across. Exactly that's what he did. He's quick to mention that when Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) married Hazrat Khadija (may Allah be pleased with her), there was age difference of 16 yrs, whichever book he got this point from, Iam sure it must have mentioned that Hazrat Khadija sent the proposal herself. To him, Prophet (peace be upon him) married her cuz of her wealth and to enjoy a luxurious life, but didn't bother to take a look at the entire life of Prophet (peace be upon him). I don't wanna go into details but Each and every point that he raised can be denied with facts easily. But tell you what I really found it funny what he claimed about Taj Mahal!! Man...this is what happens when your head gets stucked in your butt.
Anyway, like I said, if you raise a point with sense and with due thoughts, against some thing, be it country, religion or personality, its not a country or religion bashing. Debate and discussion are a healthy and positive way to sort things out and get down to the bottom of a problem, but if one has already made up his mind that he's the Mr. Right and else is crap, then...humm... May Allah give you hidya.
Isnt this site setup by Dr. Jai Maharaj. He's a White American Mr. Jay Stevens from Hawaii who has been active on all major newsgroups. He's has been a real menace for everybody. Let me know if I am wrong...
You obviously look at it differently than I do. You may think that having representatives from minorities in the assembly is a good idea than no representation at all. After taking every imaginable right away from them giving them a seat in Legislator (which by the way is a joke) makes as much sense as throwing a baby goat in a Lion's cage. How can you be a Legislater, when the entire jurisprudence is followed under a loose interpretation of Sharia (Islamic Law). What kind of contribution a non-muslim can make in that setting. So those representatives (and I know 2 of them personally) are just your nut-crackers standing in front of a fort. Secondly, you are also assuming that Minority candidates, if contesting in an election, no Muslim will vote for them. You are insulting the entire population of Pakistan by suggesting that. You think Pakistanis will vote for a candidate simply based upon his or her religion. It may be true (and realistic) that they might. My whole purpose of suggesting that minorities be given a right to vote in open election was that "to keep the religion out of politics". You seem to have missed that point.
In terms of that site, I am "smart" enough not to pay any attention to "such sites" after their homepage. Trust me!!! Achtung is right about that. There are 100s of 1000s of such hate sites.
Dear Achtung,
As always you leave me speechless. You totally ignored the above terms "India/hindu lovers" and did not hesitate to scrutinize my rather simple thoughts. May be some day. I am glad to see you around!
[This message has been edited by NYAhmadi (edited May 12, 1999).]
I have seen that site and it is depraved. I always think it is funny how these people are so blinded by their hatred for Islam that they cannot even put their views across in a way which at least might make it look as if they are impartial. The dumb thing is, if they had a look at the Hindu scriptures they would be in for a real shock. If people think I have been Hindu-bashing they have no idea about the things I could have said. I have a feeling with this site being publicised there may be a few Hindus looking to settle a few scores. Well here's some advice; don't even think about it. Believe me it will be all downhill from here and the slope will be steeper for you.
Send mail to [email protected] about this site.
Jay Stevens residing in Hawaii, is the owner of this site. He owns a company in Hawaii called a Mantra Corp.
Hey, you guys - I know a great site where you can read a couple of guys trashing any liberal suggestions or truth as 'Anti-Islamic' and blaming current muslim woes: poverty & ignorance on Foreign conspiracy. Read all about it - Folks, hot off the press, right here on this Forum, appearing from 'no-where' and going 'no-where' are Herr Achtung and his sidekick Mr.Extreme (as in Extremist).
Enjoy their vintage performances and remember folks, they do it for laughs!!
Jay Stevens aka Jai Maharaj is a long time newsgroup poster and one of the biggest spammers you can find. Those who read newsgroups are well aware of his antics. He gets slammed equally from all newsgroup participants. People have written FAQs on him so that new readers don’t unintentionally start adding fuel to his flames. Here’s one FAQ:
Adbul wrote: "Folks, hot off the press, right here on this Forum, appearing from 'no-where' and going 'no-where' are Herr Achtung and his sidekick Mr.Extreme (as in Extremist)."
Are we getting under your skin son. Why don't you respond to our posts with some originality instead of insulting us. If our posts are going 'no-where' show us and the rest of the people on this forum. Prove us wrong. Instead of cutting and pasting what you read in the morning newspaper and pawning it off as your own thoughts.
You don't know the first thing about poverty, or human rights. If you did, you'd understand that these subjects are complex. You'd understand that they are affected by much more than religion. Yet you'll have people believe that Muslims are impovershed because they have what you percieve to be a 'fundamentalist' understanding of Islam. What a narrow view. I feel sorry for people like you.
Achtung ;)
"After all let them bawl their heads off, it relieves their feelings; dogs that bark don't bite."
Somebody did a good job 'brainwashing' you; like a robot you keep defending the Islamic extremists in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Algeria, Sudan, and elsewhere; These extremists are the 'Jahanatti'(assured of Paradise)as per your 'outdated' and 'faulty' intrepretation of Islam. What is even more amusing is that these 'Jahanattis' keep blaming their hell on earth: poverty, ignorance on Foreign conspiracy.
Hey guys, I think we should let them babble whatever they want to churn out. I think that a guy who could write that BS can never see the light. Let's not waste our time on stuff like that, I think even reading that stuff is KUFR.
AdbulMalick wrote: "...you keep defending the Islamic extremists in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Algeria, Sudan, and elsewhere..."
I never defended extremists. You must have me confused with someone else. All I did was point out some misconceptions in your understanding of the causes of certain ailments inflicting the world - poverty, human rights abuses, ignorance (whatever this means - illiteracy?). You see, I'm simply trying to say, that these issues are complex and have many causes. Your posts seem to blame all the worlds (read - Muslim world) problems on one cause - religion.
AdbulMalick wrote: "What is even more amusing is that these 'Jahanattis' keep blaming their hell on earth: poverty, ignorance on Foreign conspiracy."
Nobody is talking about a 'conspiracy'. I've tried to include factual information in my posts to demonstrate the rather broad aspects of some of the problems which you discuss - aspects which include foreign interference (weather it be through colonialism, neo-imperialism, trade agreements, etc). Through insertion of relevant international players in events, strategies of action may move beyond solely blaming 'Islam' for the conditions of Muslims to better understanding the situation at hand. Only through such an understanding can the possibilities for future solutions emerge. "The hell on earth" your discussing is not the sole product of a fundamentalist understanding of Islam.
I agree with your condemnation of zealots, I don't agree with the manner in which your trying to get your point across though. I find it quite insulting and unproductive. Its insulting because you've scapegoated Islam as the cause of all of these problems, rather than looking at other important factors - many of which are more important than religion. In many instances 'religion' and religious revival is a response to some of these other factors.