there is nothing to debate on these issues either. Why do I get that feeling that you think that my sole aim of this conversation is to 'convert' you? lol why do you feel so insecure? I have read your ulemas and your own writings too on the ShiaChat, but I am not going to go there either...
i am not insecure about my knowledge of these events.Nor do I pander to any sectarian agenda.
but i am not amused when u bring in "new arguments" to bloster your case and jump from topic to topic and dont answer my questions directly.The tone of your argument seems like you are trying to dazzle me with facts which will shock me ! its amusing and annoying at the same time.
And I have seen many of u 12ers trying to convert people to "path of ahlulbayt" by using a combination of half-truths and events which have nothing to do with formulation of later 12er sect.