Plagiarism in Asian Communities

Today was the first instance of my participation in a plagiarism hearing at the University that I teach at… there was one group that had “stolen” the assignment from another group without their knowledge… the stealing group of course ended up being convicted of academic misconduct… a mark of zero on the assignment and a record in the dean’s office. Since it was a first offence we decided not to record it on their transcripts etc.

In the second instance, it was the case of “we only gave it out because they said they wanted to check their answers”. Whereas the group which copied again ended up with a conviction and a record of academic misconduct, the other group that gave their solutions out “as a reference” also got penalized because they gave out their work without acknowledgement, and the school calendar categorizes that as academic misconduct… however, their penalty was significantly lower and wouldn’t be recorded by the dean.

After coming out of the meetings, my colleague who’s a gora opinionated on the fact that plagiarism is more of a problem with Asian people since the culture is very conceding to people who do well… if you’re good at what you do, its an honour for you to be helping others. It certainly got me thinking that indeed has been the case with me quite a few times during my studies… we tend to think of helping others as a service. Your views??

Your colleague may be right to an extent. It depends. Generally Pakistani culture that I saw was that you help your friend. But then, in the same Pakistani culture I saw LUMS, which had an incredible cut-throat culture where they won't think twice bringing down a class-mate if it will help them in anyway. Helping another one is out of question. May be they changed it now in the last few years. But when the individuals know that its a highly competitive world outside and winner-takes-it-all, they are less likely to be going out of their way to help other class-mates. To each his own.

I have never dealt with East Asian (Chinese and others) in an college scene, so don't know how they take these issues... but in work place most of these guys that I deal with are highly competitive.

^^ Faisal, you're right... I've actually seen people not providing help cuz of their view of being more "competitive".

I on the other hand, would help someone and I'd know for a fact that they won't have a better answer then me anyways, so how would that matter. In addition to just being at the top, you also get the recognition and the respect of the person you've helped and also a feeling of achievement. However, in all instances of me helping someone, I take the time to "explain" the problem and the "approach" of my solution... the actual formulation of it I leave to them.

In Pakistan we call it chappah

I have not really experienced a higher rate of plagiarism among Asians as compared to Goras. However the Desi community here in Austria is not very big, so maybe that´s why the situation may be different here.

Umar Talib, very interesting and pertinent thread :k:

I’ve come across such situations many times in my student life, from both sides, receiving and giving help. To be honest about my feelings on this issue, I don’t think its the ideal situation and it is best avoided if possible, but I think it is okay.

I never refused to help anyone ever, even (in the case of close friends) if that meant giving them my program or assignment to copy straight off. For people I was not close friends with, I’d still try to help but maybe not give them my program not because I was scared of competition but because I didn’t know them and didn’t know if I could trust them that much. For my close friends, if there were many days left for the submission of the assignment then I’d try to help them do it without giving them the work so they would learn too, but sometimes when the other person is too desperate and so stressed or the deadline is too near, and that person is a good friend of yours, you just want to see them come out of that worried state and you feel like you must help them in any way you can. I’ve landed in serious trouble once over it too, but I still think I did the right thing, even though by the laws of the institution I did not. What matters in the end is: A friend screwed up by procrastinating or just not having enough confidence in their skills, is at a point now where they need help, and you are at a position to help them, and you must…

I’ve also been helped by others many times. And I will never ever forget the help that I was given, I am extremely extremely grateful and indebted and only I know what a fix I was in and how many duas came out of my heart for the people who helped me. may Allah swt keep them happy and reward them. I think those who helped me were more generous and bigger hearted than those who just helped me superficially but didn’t extend complete help as much as they could.

I think though that both parties should be on the lookout for each other and try to do it in such a way that you don’t get caught. Being a Computer Science student, and with the anti-code-plagiarism program MOSS, I’ve been in this situation many times. In fact this is good because if you really go through the program and change it, then you can learn it as well. The one who copies should try to understand the assignment oneself so they can learn the material themselves as well.

Faisal bhai is right about LUMS and IBA. There is some scary cut throat competition there. Some people don’t want to help each other in the least. However, that’s not true for everyone. Friends do help each other. My friends and I have always helped each other in school. Its a reciprocatory thing though. I did have friends who did not believe in helping and I can see their point too. I think its a matter of how good the friend is and how much you trust each other and care for each other.

One very important thing though is that the other person shouldn’t make it into a habit and start depending on help. They should make an effort to get their work done themselves too, and asking for help should be reserved for rare and extreme situations because its best to do one’s work oneself.

And yes it it true, I’ve seen this trend more in the desi [Paki, Indian] and Arab and Muslim communities in college. My brothers went to Computer Science colleges in Pakistan and this ‘help’ culture is very prevalent in Pakistan, in assignments and even exams. It is very much a part of the college culture in Pakistan.

At the end of the day, I don’t think exam results and your scores matter. What matters is your character and how many true friends you’ve made in life and how many people might give yuo duas for things you might have done for them…

Our University has got pretty much strict rules and I totally agree. Our teachers believe moral values are more important than anything else. So be it a small theft of copying/stealing an assignment or picking up someone's mobile; Once a thief is always a thief. If you don't mend his ways now, he's gonna do frauds on larger scale in his professional life.

In our university If a "chappa" is caught most likely you'll get F in that course. But in some cases straight five Fs in all the courses of that semester are also awarded.

The definition of Chappa varies from teacher to teacher. Some teachers encourage mutual discussions to come up with more creative ideas, some don't. However essence is same; If you are getting help from someone such that you are not learning anything out of it but just gonna get marks, you are guilty.

i was called the booti king .. in my times … oh the good old days :teary3:

what about the ppl who actually copy paste the material from the internet for homeworks.. yes I have seen this happening and tooo scared to do that w/o acknowledging the reference, but I have friends who copy material of lots of people and call it a research and apparently its a plagiarism.

well lets not go in THAT detail about what happens in the exam but now I have started sitting far far away from desi friends during the exam because I am just not comfortable with that.

I used to help my friends by giving away my notes that would be like answrs to the study questions that I would spend hours to find the answers for and they will just get it photo copied, but now I dun wanna do this anymore, because they get a lot of work done in less time while I keep doing the study questions. I hope, I won't be qurbani ki bakri in the next semester.

I have seen desis exchanging old exams like 5 yrs old and some prof. tend to use the exam that is like 3 or 4 yrs old so they end up having exactly the same exam and honestly, I just hate it because they just know whats going to be in the exam. :(

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what about the ppl who actually copy paste the material from the internet for homeworks.. yes I have seen this happening and tooo scared to do that w/o acknowledging the reference, but I have friends who copy material of lots of people and call it a research and apparently its a plagiarism.
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indeed it is plagiarism... for those courses in which students submit their papers to us, we have the option of using a system called "TurnItIn" which checks the internet sources based on the content of the paper and if there's a match, we're notified of it... so there are ways to go about finding out if content has been picked up... its much harder to know if the "ideas" were stolen.

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*Originally posted by Gemini the Great: *
I have seen desis exchanging old exams like 5 yrs old and some prof. tend to use the exam that is like 3 or 4 yrs old so they end up having exactly the same exam and honestly, I just hate it because they just know whats going to be in the exam. :(
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I personally don't see anything wrong with this... if past papers are available in public domain, say, the students association offices, all the power to the students to go and try out the questions in the exams... its good practice, and if they're lucky, they may see similar questions on the new exam too.

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indeed it is plagiarism... for those courses in which students submit their papers to us, we have the option of using a system called "TurnItIn" which checks the internet sources based on the content of the paper and if there's a match, we're notified of it... so there are ways to go about finding out if content has been picked up... its much harder to know if the "ideas" were stolen.

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I guess, now its the time when I let them know about this "TurnItIn" system, because I am always scared of them getting into a problem.
I hope they will understand this.

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I personally don't see anything wrong with this... if past papers are available in public domain, say, the students association offices, all the power to the students to go and try out the questions in the exams... its good practice, and if they're lucky, they may see similar questions on the new exam too.
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yes, it makes sense only if its available in the public domain with the professors consent, but here they got the exams from friends and relatives and they know that this prof is going to repeat what yr. exam.. last semester I had 5 desi friends in NeuroBiology and they exactly knew what was in the exam next day and would study only for that material just because this particular prof. repeats exams every three yrs. and they had those old exams. I dun see any thing wrong with it but it just hurts.