Place of Hadith in Islam

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You are making rules and attributing them to GOD. There is absolutely no mention in the QUran about any of this. The Quran is complete and fully detailed (6:114) and creating any ‘other’ prohibitions not specifically mentioned in the Quran is a sign of disbelief in GOD and HIS revelation (according to Quran).

Peace

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Muhummad was commanded in the strongest words from issuing any religious teachings besides the Quran (Quran 69:38-47). He was even enjoined from explaining the Quran (75:15-19) or the revelations would have been stopped.  God is the only teacher of the Quran (55:1-2), not the scholars (9:31). The Quran also informs us that it is the best Hadith (39:23 & 45:6) and HE made the Quran easy to learn (54:17, 22, 32, 40, 51).

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And Muslim (2110) narrated that Sa’eed ibn Abi’l-Hasan said: A man came to Ibn ‘Abbaas and said: I am a man who makes these images; advise me about that. He said to him: Come close to me. So he came closer to him. He said: Come closer to me. So he came closer to him, until he put his hand on his head and said: I will tell you what I heard from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Every image maker will be in Hell, and for every image that he made, a soul will be created which will punish him in Hell.” He said: If you must do that, then make (images of) trees and inanimate things.

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So,** one guy** said to another guy who heard another guy with no name saying that he heard the prophet say something **to him **approximately 200 years after the death of the Prophet....And you believe this to be to true?!?! It is hearsay false attributed to Muhammad against his will.

Perhaps you are unaware that Quran prophesied the fabrication of Hadith and Sunna by the Prophets enemies. Yes! It is right in the Quran:
[6:112] We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

[6:113] This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.*

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete,* in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

[6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. T*hey follow only conjecture*; they only guess.
As you can see from Quran, GOD permitted the creation of fabricated hadiths & Sunnah in order to expose those who do not REALLY believe in the Hereafter. When you think about it, it makes perfect sense. If people do not believe in the hereafter, they do not think they will be held accountable for the actions in this life. So, why would they go against the societal norms and obey the Quran only as decreed in Quran.

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Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Sharh Saheeh Muslim: Our companions and other scholars said: Making images of animals is emphatically haraam and is a major sin, because this stern warning which is mentioned in the ahaadeeth is issued concerning it.

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Yet another example of hearsay (rumours) transmitted approx. 200 years after the prophet died. Since, you do not trust the Quran over your 'other' sources of guidance, here is a hadith for you. The Prophet said, "Do not write down anything from me except the Quran." [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 171, and Sahih Muslim]

This Hadith states that the Prophet maintained his ANTI-HADITH stand until death. [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 192]

Here are some more verses from QUran condemning 'other' sources of religious guidance:
o Which Hadith, other than God and His revelations, do they uphold? [Quran 45:6]
o The Quran is not a fabricated Hadith; ...it details everything. [12:111]
o Some people uphold vain Hadith to divert others from the path of God. [31:6]
o The only Sunna to follow shall be God's Sunna. [17:77, 33:62, 48:23, 6:114]

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I have advised you before that do not speak without knowledge or issue your personal fatawas. You are a layperson like rest of us but you go around mocking the understanding of the scholars and saying "fullan is haraam or fullan is halal". Do you have any evidence for what you say? What I said before is what I learned from trustworthy traditional scholars, who DEFINITELY know what they are talking about and do no speak from their desires.

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I am not mocking the understanding of your scholars. I am simply rebutting your claims with what the Quran says. Who are we to trust? Man-made fabricated hearsay that was condemned by the prophet, or GOD's revelations? We are NOT to set up our religious scholars as lords who are infallible and blindly listen to their 'opinions'.[QURAN 9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.
[6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. T*hey follow only conjecture*; they only guess.

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What you have stated above is utter rubbish (calling such Muslims extremists). This whole idea of extremists/fundamentalists/strict Muslims is a oxymoron. By definition, a Muslim is one who submits to the Will of Allah, meaning the Commands and rulings of Allah.
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You are correct when you say that submitting to the will of GOD, is obeying HIS commands and rulings ONLY. Those commands are found in the QURAN only.

Peace

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So we should not follow the Hadees.... is that the bottom line of your... whatever the above... post?

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1) the Quran says not to uphold any 'other' source of religious guidance besides the Quran

2) Muhammad was commanded NOT to issue any other teachings or GOD would have stopped the revelations (Quran) to him, and

3) Muhammad order muslims NOT to write down anything from him except Quran.

Yes. That is what I am saying. Quran condemns ANY OTHER source of religious guidance other than the Quran. Hadiths & sunna are clearly fabrications falsely attributed to Muhammad as they came approx. 200 years after the death of the prophet. Hadiths & Sunnah are the Islamic equivalent of the Jewish Talmud. The muslims made the same mistake as the Jews.

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These ridiculous laws are religious innovations falsely attributed to GOD and HIS messenger. Thus, they are satanic laws, not GOD’s laws.

Bottom line is there is no such law in Quran, thus it is an innovation and must be rejected, just like all hadiths as they ARE NOT from GOD or prophet Muhammad.

[Quran 7:71] He said, “You have incurred condemnation and wrath from your Lord. Do you argue with me in defense of innovations you have fabricated - you and your parents - **which were never authorized by GOD? **Therefore, wait and I will wait along with you.”

[Quran 6:140] Losers indeed are those who killed their children foolishly, due to their lack of knowledge, and prohibited what GOD has provided for them,** and followed innovations attributed to GOD**. They have gone astray; they are not guided.

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Re: Place of Hadith in Islam

FOR THE RECORD....
I did not create this thread. The moderators must have taken my postings from the 'doodling' thread. So, they moved all my postings and made a new thread.