Pipes wants to make war on Muslims to win peace

Pipes finally won the appointment battle, looks like American Muslims have a long way to go before there influence matters.

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: Daniel Pipes, the Middle East scholar President George Bush appointed to the US Institute of Peace (USIP) on Friday despite nationwide Muslim protests, has said that war may be necessary for peace with some Muslim nations.

The only two Muslims of note who expressed written, though carefully-worded, support for the Pipes nomination were two Pakistanis, Akbar S Ahmed of the American University, Washington, and Hussain Haqqani, a scholar at the Brookings Institute.

“Conditions of peace have, by and large, been created through military victory,” Mr Pipes said last week on condition his comments not be published until President Bush named him to USIP.

“Conflict without violence is the goal,” he told the Philadelphia Inquirer newspaper. “We have differences with all our allies, but there is no possibility of resorting to force with them, and that is the goal which we all hope for. But that is not where we find ourselves now, as we found in Iraq and Afghanistan. We cannot always rely on non-violent methods.”

USIP was created by Congress in 1986 to use “knowledge to promote peace and curb violent international conflict”. Mr Pipes will serve in the unpaid vacant position until January 2005.

“It is clear that the White House felt that this man was never going to be confirmed by the Senate because of his bigoted and extremist views,” said Mary Rose Oakar, president of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. Mr Pipes and his supporters say he is not bigoted but realistic in criticising Islamist militant influence over a peaceful Muslim majority.
Mr Pipes knows Arabic, has authored several books, is a lifelong Republican and is the son of Cold War-era Kremlinologist Richard Pipes. After the 9/11 attacks, he launched a website called Campus Watch, which currently describes its mission as critically assessing Middle East-studies programmes at colleges for “problems that include the mixing of politics with scholarship” and other issues.

On the Middle East, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Mr Pipes wrote in July that democracies tended to give away too much in pursuit of peace with totalitarian foes, with “the delusion that sweetening the pot would bring about the desired results”. In fact, it often ends “in a major outbreak of violence,” he wrote.

Palestinians, he wrote in 2001, “will not give up on their aggressive ambitions vis-à-vis Israel until fully convinced that these cannot succeed. Only then can they build a policy and an economy commensurate with their dignity and talent. Ironically, then, Palestinians need almost as much to be defeated by Israel as Israel needs to defeat them.” He has also compared the US war against Islamist terrorism to its Cold War against communism or World War II against fascism.

According to him, 10 to 15 percent of Muslims in the United States may be adherents of radical Islam or terrorism. He wrote that the rest are “innocent” but that many should still be scrutinised, particularly those in military, diplomatic and law-enforcement positions. “If Americans want to protect themselves from Islamist terrorism, they must temporarily give higher priority to security concerns than to civil-libertarian sensitivities,” he said.
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**Daniel Pipes, the Middle East scholar President George Bush appointed to the US Institute of Peace (USIP) on Friday despite nationwide Muslim protests....
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Daniel Pipes is an out and out hate mongerer. Has nothing constructive to offer besides dredging up filthy stereotypes and xenophobic sentiments against Muslims. But no one should take my word for it, just read some of his writings accessible through his website.

i am not certain what propelled Akbar Ahmed to express his suport for this loser.

birds of a feather flock together....

anyone appointed by bush is beyond doubt of such nature....

professor akbar and haqqani might have been under pressure to support.... maybe....

I don't think the guy has said anything outside the bounds of what is true. The boldened text is a clear example of that. There are radical islamic terrorists who exert immense influence and religious righteousness over a much larger but quiet and peaceful muslim community.

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**anyone appointed by bush is beyond doubt of such nature....
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Yeah... true.

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*professor akbar and haqqani might have been under pressure to support.... maybe....
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That is more of an incentive NOT to have given in under the pressure. i really am puzzled as to why a distinguished academic like Akbar Ahmed should have endorsed Daniel Pipes.

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By Khalid Hasan

On the Middle East, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer, Mr Pipes wrote in July that democracies tended to give away too much in pursuit of peace with totalitarian foes, with “the delusion that sweetening the pot would bring about the desired results”. In fact, it often ends “in a major outbreak of violence,” he wrote.

**Palestinians, he wrote in 2001, “will not give up on their aggressive ambitions vis-à-vis Israel until fully convinced that these cannot succeed.

Only then can they build a policy and an economy commensurate with their dignity and talent. Ironically, then, Palestinians need almost as much to be defeated by Israel as Israel needs to defeat them.” **

  • Exactly the moral dilema I feel when debating Palestine and Israel*

Unfortunately and with much regret I concur that on these points this man is probobly right.

And I mean no onus on Palestinians. Only because I would rather see them thriving, building a new and better life for themselves, rather than living in such angry and violent misery.

They deserve a leader to guide them away from that kind of life, instead of groups, leaders, countries who want Israel doomed and expect them to fight until the state of Israel is no more.

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They deserve a leader to guide them away from that kind of life, instead of groups, leaders, countries who want Israel doomed and expect them to fight until the state of Israel is no more.
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Stop dreaming Israel has short life span in this world it only matter of time before it is finally erased as an entity.

The muslims of palestine and sincere muslims not gonna give up when you have been occupied you family humiliated, every weapon thrown at you and you still come back stronger. should tell every occupier and history prooves this your days are numbered not the victims of occupation!

What a ridiculous statement Israel needs to defeat palestine and Palestinians want to be defeated by israel. Pipes is literally having a pipe dream.

Maybe before making a comment for or against Pipes, guppies should at least mention how much of his work have they read, so that their point of view is taken in context. I doubt very many have read his books, or even follow his regular columns.

I have read only a couple of his books, which he wrote in the 80s. Other than that I am on the email list where I get most of his articles. In my opinion, he claims that their is a difference when he talks of Islam as a doctrine, Islam as a political power and Muslims in general & extremists in particular. Though from his work that I have read, such a distinction is very hard to gather. It could be that the books he wrote in 80s are not part of his self-proclaimed evolved opinion where supposedly he is very clear on his points.

One of the books his supporters quote is “Militant Islam is the problem, and moderate Islam is the solution” .. I haven’t read it but if someone else has, please do give us a review. More importantly, what is his view of a moderate Islam? Usually this term is used for Hollywood lovin’, no need for politics, pessimistic Muslim who doesn’t care what goes on around.

From an intellectual point of view, I find it hard to accept him as an “expert” mainly for two reasons. (1) His own experience of the Muslim world, which BTW for American popular public opinion very conveniently revolves around the Middle east & have no mention of Muslims in China, Russia, India, Bangladesh Indonesia etc. that greatly out number the ones in Palestine, Syria, Iran & Saudi Arabia, is his 3 years in Egypt as a student studying abroad. I doubt living 3 years “among the people” makes him an expert. (2) In the books I read, his basis of knowledge starts and ends with the history written at the time of Ottoman Empire. Most of the citations were from the books that were translated by Europeans who themselves where only interested in the Ottomans & their influence on Islamic Civilization for political reasons! Thus his views when it comes to Islam as a doctrine & also very political in nature.

Anyway, the following article has some interesting quotes … thought I should share.

Muslim groups oppose Bush peace nominee
By Katrin Dauenhauer
Updated Aug 24, 2003, 12:12 pm

WASHINGTON (IPS/GIN)-U.S. Arab and Muslim groups are strongly opposing the controversial nomination of an outspoken Middle East scholar to a federally-funded peace institute, but the administration recently said that Daniel Pipes might get to take his place without a Senate vote.

President Bush nominated Mr. Pipes to the board of directors of the U.S. Institute for Peace (USIP) in April, but the move has been stalled by concerns about Mr. Pipes’ highly controversial views on the Muslim world and the Arab-Israeli conflict, among others.

President Bush suggested he might use a “recess appointment” to place Mr. Pipes, director of the Philadelphia-based Middle East Forum, in the USIP position while the Senate is on its summer break. The appointment would last until the next Congress is sworn in, potentially not until 2005.

“Such an appointment, which would bypass the legitimate role of the Senate on such nominations, would be an inappropriate manner to install an inappropriate nominee,” Hussein Ibish, the spokesperson of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) told IPS.

“This back-door move by the president is a defeat for democracy and an affront to all those who seek peace,” according to Ibrahim Hooper, communications director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) in a statement.

At a meeting last month of the Senate committee on health, education, labor and pensions, the body that would have taken the initial vote on the nomination, several senators expressed opposition to Mr. Pipes’ views.

“The United States Institute of Peace is the last place that we need someone who is going to be a lightning rod for controversy—and Mr. Pipes is a lightning rod. If he is on the board, more of the talk is going to be about him and his views than it will be about the work of the entire institute,” said Democratic Senator Tom Harkin.

That meeting ended without a vote.

Opposition to Mr. Pipes’ nomination is also coming from a number of newspapers, including the Washington Post, the Dallas Morning News, and the Chicago Tribune.

**Mr. Pipes’ nomination also caused controversy within the Jewish community, with peace groups opposing his nomination, but other bodies, like the American Jewish Committee (AJC), endorsing the decision. **

Mr. Pipes has used his work to “alert the American public to the dangers posed by extremist Islamism in this country and abroad,” wrote the AJC’s Harold Tanner and David Harris. “At the same time, Dr. Pipes has been a defender and champion of moderate Islam.”

Mr. Pipes has long infuriated Arab organizations with his warnings of Islamic fundamentalism and its threat to U.S. security. But his opinions have ranged far wider.

**“Western European societies are unprepared for the massive immigration of brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and maintaining different standards of hygiene. All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most,” he told the National Review in 1990.

More recently, Mr. Pipes has called for law enforcement bodies to use racial and ethnic profiling and has fiercely advocated that mosques in the United States be regular targets of police surveillance. **

“This man’s hateful views stand outside the mainstream American tradition of equality and tolerance. He is a bigot. He promotes fear and hatred of many communities, not just Arabs and Muslims,” said Mr. Ibish.

**“His attacks on Black Americans are particularly vicious. He is also a strident opponent of the Oslo peace process and President Bush’s road map for peace,” he added. “And interestingly enough, it was Pipes who in the 1980s was criticizing the administration for not giving enough support to Saddam Hussein.”

Mr. Pipes has established a project called Campus Watch, a website run by the Middle East Forum that monitors the work of Middle East scholars for pro-Arab bias. Many scholars have likened it to academic neo-McCarthyism. **

“Daniel Pipes is not a credible, non-biased person. This involves his points on Islam, but also his intellectual credibility. He is literally harassing fellow academia by establishing a monitoring website,” Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society-Freedom Foundation (MAS) told IPS.

She also criticized the White House’s role in the nomination process.

“I think the reason is pretty obvious. It’s the Christian Right. Daniel Pipes fits to this constituency and has friends among them. And it has been the core constituency of this president and that’s why he is doing this step,” Mr. Bray added.

Congress created the USIP in 1984 as an independent, non-partisan federal institution to “promote the prevention, management and peaceful resolution of international conflicts.”

The esteemed institute’s bipartisan 15-member board is appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate. Critics fear the current controversy could severely damage the USIP’s integrity and credibility.

“Given Mr. Pipes’ opposition to the president’s call for understanding and respect and his disdain for the principles of conflict resolution, any such appointment must be seen in the larger context as an attempt to undercut the very mission of the USIP,” said the Arab American Institute in a statement.

"With someone of Mr. Pipes’ caliber serving on its board, our friends and allies around the world will undoubtedly have questions about whether we are serious about ending violence and what we mean by ‘conflict resolution.’ "

The views expressed by Mr Pipes would be more palatable if he were to be appointed to US Institute of War.

Seriously.

I see nothing 'peaceful' about his views. Give him a nuclear bomb (or several) and he will bring his own kind of 'peace' in the world: the Pipeace.

aw. :frowning: i wish i could personally apologize to Mr. Pipes for the lack of hygiene found in every brown-skinned person on earth. i have an idea for him that i’m sure he would welcome - why not just wipe out all us brown-skinned people from the face of the planet. Drop a nuke on all Muslim countries. That should take care of the stink of the curry and samosas. After that, he can expand his eugenics programme towards anyone whose hair is not blond enough to suit his personal preferences.

Here’s another priceless gem from him:

What does the Arabic word “jihad” mean?](What is Jihad? :: Daniel Pipes)

…] It means the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims. The purpose of jihad, in other words, is not directly to spread the Islamic faith but to extend sovereign Muslim power (faith, of course, often follows the flag). Jihad is thus unabashedly offensive in nature, with the eventual goal of achieving Muslim dominion over the entire globe.

…] Jihad in the sense of territorial expansion has always been a central aspect of Muslim life. That’s how Muslims came to rule much of the Arabian Peninsula by the time of the Prophet Muhammad’s death in 632. It’s how, a century later, Muslims had conquered a region from Afghanistan to Spain. Subsequently, jihad spurred and justified Muslim conquests of such territories as India, Sudan, Anatolia, and the Balkans.

Today, jihad is the world’s foremost source of terrorism, inspiring a worldwide campaign of violence by self-proclaimed jihadist groups…

…] Despite jihad’s record as a leading source of conflict for 14 centuries, causing untold human suffering, academic and Islamic apologists claim it permits only defensive fighting, or even that it is entirely non-violent.

…] It would be wonderful were jihad to evolve into nothing more aggressive than controlling one’s anger, but that will not happen simply by wishing away a gruesome reality. To the contrary, the pretense of a benign jihad obstructs serious efforts at self-criticism and reinterpretation. …] Unfortunately, such a process of redemption is not now under way; violent jihad will probably continue until it is crushed by a superior military force (Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, please take note). Only when jihad is defeated will moderate Muslims finally find their voice and truly begin the hard work of modernizing Islam.

I have to admit, he doesn't seem like a good choice.

Sad news...hope he gets in trouble one of these days ;)

ahmadjee, this is precisely what a "neoconservative" is. You said that he does in fact understand the difference between a moderate and radical.. that's really nice but his actions, his ideas' practical implications, no matter how well intended, do not reflect that huge distinction and generally provide a malignant solution to things. This is the main problem of the neocons, they are generally well educated and have very strong moral opinions.. but they get everything so god-awful wrong it's amazing Darwin hasn't expelled them yet. Wolfowitz is sincere in his belief (maybe not anymore) that running amok in the MidEast would actually bring peace and prosperity to the land.. these people live in some kind of closed vacuum in their heads. The skill of thought involved in some of these ideas is awesome, if only they could see and apply it to reality instead of these paranoid delusions...

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Stop dreaming Israel has short life span in this world it only matter of time before it is finally erased as an entity.

The muslims of palestine and sincere muslims not gonna give up when you have been occupied you family humiliated, every weapon thrown at you and you still come back stronger. should tell every occupier and history prooves this your days are numbered not the victims of occupation!

What a ridiculous statement Israel needs to defeat palestine and Palestinians want to be defeated by israel. Pipes is literally having a pipe dream.
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ak47,

I took the statement in the context that if there isn't a defeat the violence is not ever gona stop. And the Palestinians are caught up in it, I mean this stuff's been goining sinse around 1948 right? Majority of the people originally affected are probobly buried by now, but all the anger and violence has just been passed on to current and probobly future generations. I mean what kind of life is that?

I am not partial to either peoples, I'm just thinking that if one of em doesn't surrender to the others terms then what chance is there of anything ever changing? It just might take defeat to be able to smoke the peace pipe and move on to something better. Surely there is room for both peoples?

Some times ya just gotta know when to say when.

Perhaps their are some Palestinians who just want the b.s. to be over and be able to live a normal life, instead of worrying whether
their house is gona be blown up cuz their neighbor was a suicide bomber.

Same with Israel, I would imagine that not having to worry whether the bus your gona take to work tomorrow is gona blow up.

And what of some neighbors?

They don't Palestinian Refugees in their area, yet still want them resist Israel? Is that fair?

It sure doesn't seem like a lasting truce is gona come about anytime soon..unfortunately. Wouldn't an admitted defeat (either side) bring an end to the cycle of violence? And allow for them to move on and create a better life for themselfs?